WHY EMU IS BANNED AND WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED
6 years ago
Netherlands

@Rhodechill setting frame skip to 1 in Dolphin's settings really does wonders for your framerate. (Also I'm not a "he".)

Rhode Island, USA

$240 laptop that can run dolphin 720p 60fps?

Almost impossible to find

30fps is dumb lol

Texas, USA

Well if we're talking about running MKWii on Dolphin, I don't know if my computer could do that too well. And about the video thing, this game allows webcam recordings so it's really easy to record for console with this and if you only have a capture card or if this game switches to allowing only capture cards for recording, figure it out. The main part of the MKWii community has never allowed emu for official runs so we will be keeping it that way. Just because you technically can cheat on official hardware, does not mean we have to look at it as similar to an unofficial emulator.

Valhalla

@Frikkinfriks14 while i can see why you say it's less legit I don't understand why the wii u, with proven faster load times is still allowed to compete. If this is really an issue just make a catagory for emus like other games have.

Valhalla

and how would this run be any more legit? https://www.speedrun.com/mkw/run/zp0qndvm

Valhalla

not saying these are fake runs, but this reminds me of

Texas, USA

How the fuck are you comparing Wii U to emulator? The load time difference isn't even that much between Wii and Wii U (Around 2 seconds per 4 tracks if I remember correctly) and they're both official consoles. And about no video runs while I don't prefer no video runs being allowed, the ones you linked weren't WR or unbelievable.

Valhalla

@Frikkinfriks14 I'm not saying Wii U saves as much time as an emulator, and I'm also not saying that it is less reliable, I'm just saying at the end of the day, it does have faster load times then a Wii. I don't think the official console statement is really that important as long as they are consistent, and I'm not saying that dolphin should be put in the same category as official consoles. I just believe in people being allowed to do runs on emulators to help expand the community, and plenty of other games like mario party ones and mario 64 allow emulation and thrive even more because of it. As for the no-video runs, i'm not saying that they were WR or unbelievable, i'm just making a point against people who say dolphin allows for easy faked runs because it is much easier to fake runs with no evidence(even though the non-recorded runs are probably real). Some people just care about their ranking on the leaderboard and just because a fake run isn't WR doesn't mean it should be allowed. I understand what you are saying but in mentioning "The load time difference isn't even that much between Wii and Wii U (Around 2 seconds per 4 tracks if I remember correctly)" you proved a point that Wii Us already give an advantage, and might cause an actual difference in the future between WR and non-WR. I simply feel that emulation could really help this game grow as I personally know 10 or so people who want to run this game but sold there Wii a couple years back and just play it on an emulator.

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Valhalla

And also as @ILoveSMB stated Regardless what's banned and what's not, at least require videos for the runs or some kind of proof like a photo of the end of every race or a screenshot of the splits. There's no way on earth someone can say they can't take a picture. I'm 100% confident some of these runs without video are simply fake times. Allowing emulators would let recording be easy for everyone. WiiU has better loads than Wii. Wii hard drive has faster loads than anything else. So allowing both of these and not allowing Dolphin based on load is just not reasonable. It's not any harder to fake a run on console if you really want to. It's also much easier to use cheats on homebrew, since Dolphin rejects master codes (like the item wheel, always have item, etc).

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Texas, USA

In-game time is being implemented now and it's what's most likely going to be what would determine first or second so Wii and Wii U will be consistent in that regard and the thing with emulator is the main part of the community for this game in general has never allowed emulator for a time trial WR so I think the full game/multiple track leaderboards should be consistent with that.

Valhalla

@Frikkingfriks14 If IGT is allowed, then dolphin would ALSO be consistent along with the consoles. And while emus weren't allowed up until now, i don't see why you feel the need to stay consistent to the past, especially when so many players could end up joining if the emulators were allowed, and there is literally no reason other than "this game is general has never allowed emulator". Which i don't really see as a valid point.

England

interesting stuff bois

Valhalla

@MaxDragonSoul where do you stand?

England

I watched a video of someone doing a TAS on Dolphin that looked perfectly legitimate, but if there's a way to identify any faked run (at least to the proximity of consoles) then allow it, conservatism is just the lazy attitude of old speedrunners.

Canada

Maybe have a wii and an emu variable so we can see if people will run on emulater? Idk id say its okay to try things as long as it doesnt hurt anyone.

New Hampshire, USA

It's sad that none of the mods have posted yet.

Why would they even add dolphin if it's been proven inaccurate (several times)? Just because IGT is accurate doesn't mean a simple emulator is accurate as well. Plus, really no one plays on emulator anyway to my knowledge. So what's the point of adding an emulator anyway if only like, 1 or 2 people will play on them?

New Hampshire, USA

@MaxDragonSoul TASes aren't legit. That should be obvious.

Texas, USA

If emu does end up being allowed it needs to be its own subcategory.