I have kind of an overview of people that have something to do with it dont worry pack, i know you actively play it. :p

This isnt a general discussion about it though, because that gets you nowhere and we had that happen way too often by now. It is literally impossible to get a end result if everyone not even remotely connected to the issue starts giving his opinions. Giving ideas how to handle the problem sure, straight up saying "no removing that rule is dumb Kappa HD EKKS DEE" is annoying if that person has no involvement with that category anyway.

To clarify it once more: That rule has ALWAYS been there, just this leaderboard was a clusterfuck with no one moderating anyway, out of the 18 submitted runs maybe 3 followed that rule, 1 of those 3 played the game the last time 1 year ago. So its either enforce that rule or remove it and in case of removing it, shouldnt the people who actually care about the category have the last word in it?

"RTA No QS is a thing in the HL2 episodes at least, which is RTA but without quicksaves (so autosaves only). It's basically SS."

Which also means that the rules are worded in a very poor way because loading autosaves is still loading.

Anyway, making rules, following rules, verifying rules is a clusterfuck at the moment. Personally i couldnt give 2 shits about people that dont even run the category in question which is why i wrote "active runners", i dont care if you ran this category 10 years ago, i dont care if you plan to run it in 5 years and i especially dont care what other games do. If people think they have a word about the rules, run the category now, run it more than a few times just to think you have a word in this. The main problem is that everyone thinks he has to give his opinion on something that does not concern him in any possible way.

That way no progress can ever be made because hey im important in sm64 because i once thought i might learn that game eventually so im important enough to change rules for it. Also i might have quoted you S. but that was just a general rant, so im sorry if it came off as against you personally, i understood what you meant and that you didnt mean to tell your opinion about the category rule itself. (i might have worded this poorly but will let this stay here because of the general idea)

Furthermore if anyone now thinks "look at those guys suddenly changing everything lmao", im sure no one wants cheated runs on the leaderboards. All we want is to have some sort of structure and not a chronikeys dark theme.

I also dont want a discussion about this here now.

Since we kind of regulate the leaderboards now this came up because no one actually followed that rule until now. Legacy runs have a SS rule, no save and loading.

Some people want that rule gone, since it never was really followed anyway. We also dont randomly want to change rules so active runners should decide instead. So if you agree that the no qs/ql rule should be removed from that category please say so in this thread so it can be removed without someone going crazy about it and blaming a single person for changing rules.

Again: If you are an active runner of this category CLEARY state if you want the rule gone or not.