Help on FPG, Blazit clip and timing BBG (on the title screen)
4 years ago
Portugal

Can someone give me some tips? I would appreciate.

I have been trying to do FPG for 1+ hour and still haven't got it, not even once (Sockfolder's metude).

I haven't found a tutorial video on how to do the Blazit clip on 4-2 so I came here for help, put the inputs or link me a video on it if you can.

I have been wondering how runners time it perfectly to start the game at the right time to get the Bullet Bill Launcher to launch the Bullet Bill at right time to save time, can you say how to time it and when do you have to start the game?

Québec

I don't really think you need to care about FPG/BBG/Blazit since you don't even have a run posted. get a sub 5 before thinking about doing those hard strats.

Oklahoma, USA

1-1 Flagpole Glitch (DISCLAIMER: This is not practical to add to a run until trying for roughly a low 4:57) See youtube.com/watch?v=ucBAwdS3YB4 for full tutorial

You must land on the 3rd block from the top on the first pixel while not holding "B" - on the first frame with mario in the "running" animation (as opposed to the jump/falling animation), you hold only right (not "A" or "B"), then for exactly the next 2 frames, hold "B", then do a full jump on the 3rd frame (as shown). Hold all inputs until the jump is completed. By the time you reach the flagpole block, you will need to release "A" and "B", and hold "left" for exactly 3 frames (as shown), then jump on the 4th frame. If you do the first "jump" half of the trick correctly, you will clip into the block assuming you do a full jump, even if you mess up the "second" part. If you do not clip into the block, it means you messed up the jump.

Frame counter will obviously be different depending on your pace - as long as you hit the first pixel on the block, it doesn't matter if you do a full or partial jump. In order to "save" the framerule, you will need to be 4 frames from perfect on the coin pipe section, which means that some "380"s will not be fast enough to save the rule. Credit to runner "Sockfolder" for finding out exact inputs for an RTA run.

25% with slowdowns https://media.giphy.com/media/8BkHxi5gkF3vRyrYan/giphy.gif

50% no slowdown https://media.giphy.com/media/1ouk3AQfCvc7DXj1mP/giphy.gif

Edited by the author 4 years ago
NigelzOne, Lul_ecks_dee and 4 others like this
Oklahoma, USA

Bullet Bill Glitch Disclaimer: I would not recommend trying this until attempting mid 4:58 or faster times BBG Forwards Jump (25% speed) ~~~ wait until the back of "bullet bill" is roughly even with the beginning of the middle pillar, then do two jumps to the top of the middle pillar, then a full jump https://media.giphy.com/media/42DYhwPe1XGwbN2GEa/giphy.gif

BBG Backwards Jump (50% speed) https://media.giphy.com/media/4NryB5qd9VQPgWspK7/giphy.gif

BBG Backwards Jump with slowdowns (50% Speed) https://media.giphy.com/media/1n3M4PKWCz4122xFWi/giphy.gif

This Backwards BBG setup is four parts:

  1. Backwards jump into the second stair
  2. Wait until the bullet is halfway past the second pillar
  3. Jump without holding right, then hold right when mario's feet are one full block up and do a FULL jump
  4. Run for roughly 3 frames on top of the middle pillar, then do another full jump
  • There is a new setup since this guide was written (and there is currently no gif showing this) which involves holding DOWN and RIGHT while waiting for the bill, then releasing down and jumping... this tends to be more consistent.
threecreepio, Thelxinoe and 2 others like this
Oklahoma, USA

Some of the BBG part is outdated with current strategies (which usually involve holding down and right simultaneously as you're in the "saddle") - but that will still work - and gives you the general idea of how it's done

I'm not aware of a tutorial for blazit - but I'm sure one exists

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Th3Re4l and darG like this
Oklahoma, USA

FPG is a multiple frame-perfect trick. Even veteran runners can spend an hour trying and not get it a single time - even theoretically knowing how to do it.

Of the runners that REGULARLY use it in a run (For example somewes or kosmic), anecdotally it seems like they get it roughly 50% of the time - but I could be wrong

I myself haven't ever gotten it in real-time, and I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours playing this game - granted I haven't really tried very hard to learn FPG, but I never plan to use it in a run, and like @WolfAttacK said - it's not necessary until you are trying for a low 4:57 pace run. Although if you want to learn them for fun, more power to you.

However, BBG is a fairly simple trick. You could teach your neighbor that's never played mario how to do it, and he could get it on a savestate after maybe 50 attempts. That being said, even the best players in the world only have AT BEST around a 25-33% success rate at the trick. It's also frame-perfect, but much less so than FPG, and half the time you literally can't get it because of what's called "coin-toss" which has to do with mario's sub-pixel

Because of "coin-toss" even if you do the correct inputs, you will miss the trick half the time.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
threecreepio, Th3Re4l, and darG like this

My first FPG took 3 days in order to actually get both stair and pole inputs. After you get it the first time, your brain starts to develop some kind of knack for the stair inputs, leading to a more consistent approach when performing the glitch. So don't feel discouraged if you can't get it the first time, it will become much easier over time.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Th3Re4l and SacredSpoon like this
New Hampshire, USA

Like what @WolfAttacK said, it's not recommended for a new player to try out very difficult tricks. My PB is 5:01.621 and I don't use FPG or BBG, I only use wrong warp. I suggest wait for those tricks until grinding for a 4:57.4 or lower. If you're not familiar to the game you're running, then it will be hard to get all the glitches.

FPG: You'll be more consistent to getting a good completed run than reset on FPGs most of the time. According to @Bismuth 's first WR Analysis video, the best players ( @Kosmic , @somewes , @darbian , etc.) only get it 40% of the time they try.

BBG: For BBG there's a setup which requires bouncing off of certain enemies that will be challenging to new runners. You also need to wait several seconds on the title screen, which can be really irritating. If you didn't do the setup, you'd be lucky to get the shot.

4-2 Blazit: Only 2 people have done it in runs (as far as I've seen), which is 0.24% of the Any% leaderboard. I'd recommend waiting since it requires good subpixel position and tricky inputs.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Th3Re4l likes this

Unfortunately nobody has a tutorial for 420 blazit, the best there is would be this video you can look at to get an idea of what to do. I don't remember but it took me quite a few hours just to pull off FPG for the very first time for the whole tricc. Sockfolder rom is not a rom I used at the time which is kinda silly but it is useful for feedback.

However, on the most recent practice rom v4.1 that is probably the best place to go to learn how to FPG, as that will freeze the game the moment you make a mistake, and tell you the exact mistake you made.

For BBG, wait -7.12 seconds from reset if you have the single game cartridge/rom, or when you select Super Mario Bros. in a multi cartridge/rom thing. From there play the game up to 8-2 perfectly meaning optimal play with no hard tricks (meaning 420 blazit, FPG, 1-2g, etc.) and bop the 2 koopas that nearly everybody who has a sub 5 (except for me) bop in order to setup for BBG. Then, I recommend doing something along the lines of this setup (That's the Down+Right setup btw, and I did a full jump out of the "saddle (as Darpey calls it, I don't know what to call it)" followed by another full jump perfectly timed)

Alright, now we've got the technical stuff out of the way, lets talk about the mental

FPG is very hard, requiring a whopping 4 frame perfect inputs to pull off. Like the other people who refused to answer your question say is not a bad idea, getting that sicc sub 5 time before starting to imagine your future as a top level 4:55 WR holder and taking action by beginning to practice those ridiculously hard tricks of FPG, 1-2g, 420 blazit. If you are going for FPG for fun, go for it man, it doesn't matter what everyone else says if your goal is to have fun and you're having fun grinding those hard tricks. The day you decide that you're going to get consistent however is a whole different story.

Good luck on your journey to first FPG, 420 blazit and BBG PogChamp

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Th3Re4l and Thelxinoe like this
Game stats
Followers
7,815
Runs
8,832
Players
1,792
Latest news
Requirements for High-Level Any% Runs

Any% (NTSC) runs below 4:57.000 must now fulfill additional requirements in order to be verified.

  • The run's full session must be included in the submission description.
  • For emulator runs below 4:57.000, some form of input display must be visible for the duration of the run. A hand-cam or input
4 months ago