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Super Mario Bros. Forum  /  (MINUS WORLD) Flagpole discrepancy

NovawolfNovawolf

(He/Him)

Ohio, USA

  NovawolfNovawolf
12 Jun 2018, 03:13

When I'm running minus world and reach the end of -1, I sometimes find the flagpole in a glitched state where the actual flag is nonexistent. When you grab the pole, Mario just jumps off and "floats" over to the castle, which ultimately saves 3 framerules (1.05 sec) over the version with the flag. The thing is that whether the flag shows or not seems to be completely random. I think it might be framerule dependent, but does anyone know for sure?

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coolesttocoolestto

Kansas, USA

  coolesttocoolestto
12 Jun 2018, 10:40

Interesting, could you make a video showing that?

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Lul_ecks_deeLul_ecks_dee

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  Lul_ecks_deeLul_ecks_dee
12 Jun 2018, 17:46

I'm pretty sure that there shouldn't ever be a flag on that flagpole, but if you go for full FPG it won't matter whether there is a flag or not.

 

NovawolfNovawolf

(He/Him)

Ohio, USA

  NovawolfNovawolf
13 Jun 2018, 03:00 (edited: 13 Jun 2018, 03:00)

Here's a comparison:

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RT_1RT_1

(He/Him)

Victoria, Australia

  RT_1RT_1
13 Jun 2018, 06:18

I've never seen that before and I have run this category for 16 hours all together. Interesting

 

darGdarG

Lower Silesia, Poland

  darGdarG
13 Jun 2018, 12:16

That's interesting, I've never experienced this.

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NovawolfNovawolf

(He/Him)

Ohio, USA

  NovawolfNovawolf
13 Jun 2018, 20:57

I wonder if the fire flower is allowing the chance of that to happen. I don't think I've ever seen it when reaching the end as small Mario

 

TheSpenzersTheSpenzers

Philippines

  TheSpenzersTheSpenzers
13 Jun 2018, 23:47 (edited: 13 Jun 2018, 23:52)

It's actually happen to me last time when I'm messing up and doing things on world -1. It's cool and I also saw that on another YouTube Video. But when I'm small mario (using AISSON game genie code) There's always a flag in that flagpole.

 

NovawolfNovawolf

(He/Him)

Ohio, USA

  NovawolfNovawolf
15 Jun 2018, 04:01

Have you ever seen it in an actual run?

 

Lul_ecks_deeLul_ecks_dee

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  Lul_ecks_deeLul_ecks_dee
15 Jun 2018, 04:27

I'm just putting a theory out there, but maybe the flag doesn't spawn because there are too many sprites on the screen, so it doesn't show up. Maybe if you killed some koops or that hammer brother that likes to suicide maybe that caused the flag to spawn?

 

roopert83roopert83

Colorado, USA

  roopert83roopert83
15 Jun 2018, 06:20

I’m in the same boat as something must be done differently but the video doesn’t show anything but the end of the level.

I would test it but I’m not feeling it haha.

 

TheSpenzersTheSpenzers

Philippines

  TheSpenzersTheSpenzers
15 Jun 2018, 10:00

@BlueYoshii Yes In the world record that it was not shown. I don't know if killing something will show the flag. I'm doing it offline and not recording the screen so yeah.

 

MarikhMarikh

(He/Him)

Baden-Württemberg, Germany

  MarikhMarikh
15 Jun 2018, 19:06

I didn't know that there can be a flag in -1, but I've verified it on original hardware (FDS). I guess that you have to kill the koopa on the stairs. It also seems to help if you scroll the screen to the right and move pixel by pixel like I do here:
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrunchyRoughFerretTwitchRaid
Sometimes there is a cheep-cheep at the bottom of the screen which seems to prevent the flag from spawning:
https://clips.twitch.tv/BoringIronicTortoiseDAESuppy

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TicTacBeanTicTacBean

Caernarfonshire, Wales

  TicTacBeanTicTacBean
16 Jun 2018, 11:05

Big potential time save.

 

RT_1RT_1

(He/Him)

Victoria, Australia

  RT_1RT_1
16 Jun 2018, 12:51

how @TicTacBean

 

darGdarG

Lower Silesia, Poland

  darGdarG
16 Jun 2018, 13:11

@TicTacBean It's not a time save, because flag spawns almost always. Actually, if it DOES spawn, it's a time loss.

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TicTacBeanTicTacBean

Caernarfonshire, Wales

  TicTacBeanTicTacBean
18 Jun 2018, 19:56

I didn't really say it was a time save but said it was a POTENTIAL time save which to me means a possible time save but not being all that sure about it.

 

NovawolfNovawolf

(He/Him)

Ohio, USA

  NovawolfNovawolf
19 Jun 2018, 23:44

About the sprite overload theory: I did notice that when the flag appeared the koopa on the stairs was gone, and when the flag was absent, the koopa was there. So I suppose it's possible the existence of the koopa prevents the flag from spawning. Usually when I still had my fire flower at the end of -1 I would shoot the koopa at the end for fun. The thing is that even when I kill the koopa, the flag is sometimes still absent, and just a single koopa and flagpole doesn't seem like enough to cause a sprite overload.

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