I was speaking with a few people in a discord channel - and we were wondering why Minus World Ending was included in the "Main Categories" rather than Category Extensions ( https://www.speedrun.com/smbce )

I feel silly bringing it up since I don't even run All-Stars, but would it make sense to move Minus World Ending to Category Extensions (along with its brother "Minus World", which is already in category extensions) and then you can remove the "Misc" tab altogether, and have four clean tabs with

Any% Warpless All-Stars Any% All-Stars Warpless

^ and no dropdowns

It just seems like it was an oversight at some point that was never corrected, since it's not that big of a deal. Unless there's some reason I'm not thinking of. The four main categories definitely seem to be Any% / Warpless on the NES and SNES.

I both agree & don't agree. I mean, it makes sense to me to have that category on the main leaderboard, but at the same time it doesn't. I don't understand why there isn't at least the USA Minus World on the main page.

Minus World Ending has exactly the same amount of verified runs as All-Stars Any% and more than All-Stars Warpless. It became very popular. I just don't see any reason to change the categories.

Also, it's a game completion, and not a IL or something. You complete the game and you get a second quest - just as in Any% or Warpless.

They should at least add Minus World NES version to the main leaderboard..

"They should at least add Minus World NES version to the main leaderboard.."

Oh no, the post is creating sympathy in the wrong direction! O.o

If anything *8-4, and Second Quest type categories seem more "main" than Minus World, since they're explicitly built into the game. But that's just my opinion I suppose. MWE and Minus World are certainly major categories, I just don't see what's magical about MWE. It seems like it's by definition a category extension.

Just seems so clean to move ALL of the categories that are... extensions... over to category extensions, then have the four main categories any%, warpless, SNES any%, and SNES warpless on the main board.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter, it's just a location. Just thought if it was an oversight, it would look prettier to have only those 4 main categories on the main page without a dropdown tab... and it would give further due credit to All-Stars categories

Just a thought.

Just a thought, then I'll stop. I think that all levels & worlds should have their own level leaderboard. Just saying.

@Darpey Yeah, that didn't go as planned. xD

What I would like to see is that you remove "Miscellaneous" and have all the categories as the main ones.

The idea behind taking away all Individual Levels is that (1) it would add a TON of time to verify, since there's a lot of them, and (2) you'd end in soooo many ties. The fastest possible way to do (for example) 4-1 would be fast accel at the beginning and a FPG at the end... then it's broken, and it's not THAT hard to do if you're playing IL from savestates. You'd end up with a 20-way tie for first.

8-4 is unique in that there are many places to lose or save time... 5 stages, 4 places to potentially fast-accel, turnaround room (which can be optimal or sub-optimal), wall jump (1 or 2 pixels, backwards or forwards, optimal or sub-optimal), optimal or suboptimal axe, and a water section that can lose time in a few places

I forget who it was (I know it was a prominent name in SMB1), but one of the reasons MWE is a main category is because it can be thought of as the true any% run of SMB1. It has a legitimate ending, and it's the quickest way to end the game (even faster than any%).

I don't see a need to move it off of being a main category.

I get what you're saying - but I wouldn't call the ending a "legitimate" ending. Unless your qualification of "legitimate" is that the game stops, in which case softlock is even faster.

The ending message is "Thank you Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" - The exact same message you receive in every other castle level other than 8. No princess saving or bowser stopping has happened. No "ending credits" (so to speak) have been seen... it's essentially saying "you're not done yet" - but it just doesn't continue.

The "main" smb3 any% (wrong warp) category at least goes to the ending credits scene.

Anyway - it looks like public opinion is on the side of keeping MWE in main categories - So I'll rest my opinion. It seemed to be that there were 4 categories that were clearly "main", but that doesn't seem to be a major opinion.

I would consider beating the game as something that then lets you access 2nd quest.

ILs for every level was a thing. But that being a ridulous amount of runs to verify and the vast majority would be tied for 1st place there is no point to having it. 8-4 is really the only one that matters. Also I have heard somewhere that Minus World Ending was traditionally ran as the Main Category in Japan so we treat it that way still. Also Minus World US doesnt have an official ending where MWE does and can take you to 2nd quest like darG mentioned. I believe it does make sense for the leaderboards to stay the same way they are currently.