Minecraft Speedrunning Questions Thread
9 years ago
United States

I'm speedrunning a niche Minecraft% where runs are currently 30 seconds or shorter. Is it correct to use real life time (using recorded frames as reference) or the in-game time when measuring runs? Recently a run was faster in real time but slower in in-game time than another player's semi-laggy run.

If in-game time is the correct measurement to use, is the an IGT for 1.13+? Thanks.

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Why is it that people don't run seeds with complete end portals in set seed glitchless? Also (not a runner with no intent to cheat) isn't the rule to disallow analysing seeds before choosing one pretty unenforceable?

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I am practising for any% set seed glitchless using the 1.6.4 seed (see SpoonTy's guide) because, although it is not perfect, it is very close to it:

  • You start close to a snowy biome so can get snowballs, so don't need to mine flint or kill chickens to get arrows (for the end fight)
  • You start close to a spider spawner (skeletons or zombies would be workable, but less convenient) with 9 iron and two buckets (but you only really need 1 bucket), so you can have an iron pickaxe, iron sword, shears, flint and steel, and iron shovel without having to mine or smelt iron ore.
  • Along the way are several trees, animals (pigs for porkchops, sheep for wool), and water lakes.
  • You then have a lava lake which you can easily use with a bucket and water you scooped from one of the aforementioned water lakes, to make a Nether portal.
  • This takes you directly to a Nether fortress, with a blaze spawner just down the corridor.
  • Then you have a deep cave (saving you mining time) into a stronghold with eight eyes of ender in the portal and four ender pearls in chests. This means you don't have to kill any endermen, it really is a very lucky seed.
  • All these things are more or less in a straight line in roughly the order you need them.

It is not perfect, as I would, for example, prefer a perfect portal to skip the nether altogether, or have armour, or a village with diamonds for a diamond sword and/or pick, but the seed we have is already extremely lucky which is why I (and most other speedrunners in this category) use it.

I don't actually have a run in this category yet - I have to keep restarting because mobs kill me, and I've not yet perfected the bed-in-the-end trick, but hopefully you'll see my runs sometime.

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I am not sure about the rule saying you can't analyse seeds. If your video testifies your seed was random, then there are so many seeds in Minecraft you can never realistically expect to get a seed you already recognise. I am not sure whether or not it is in compliance with the rules, for example, to use /seed and then to pause and enter that into a program which tells you information about that seed.

One program I am trying to build is one which solves linear equations to locate the stronghold with only two eyes of ender. I believe this should be valid as I am not using anything which uses the actual string of numbers to predict what the seed should be, I am merely using coordinates (which are definitely valid) and automating a calculation I could do mentally.

Perhaps you would be better off asking a moderator, who might have to deal with this issue whilst verifying a random seed speedrun, but I hope my answer helps.

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To address osukiomi's issue, I believe all runs are judged on IGT, as looking at the leaderboard for any% set seed with glitches, Illumina (7m43s RT, 2m04s IGT) is ahead of TheeSizzler (4m48s RT, 2m31s).

I'm not sure what you mean by "If in-game time is the correct measurement to use, is the an IGT for 1.13+?" Do you mean is there a timer you can use? I believe OBS works in 1.13, but perhaps you would need to ask somebody more experienced than me, because I have not yet tried to use a timer in a Minecraft speedrun.

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MiracleDinner, this seed 5148563599334434 works in 1.12 and has a complete end portal at coords 450 18 -2260, obviously this is pretty far from spawn but does bypass accessing the nether, unfortunately having this knowledge seemingly invalidates the seed as according to the rules

  • You may not use any Minecraft mod or software external to Minecraft that can generate a map of the seed or obtain information about the world in any way other than exploration in the created world (you cannot copy the world and explore it in another save).

I agree that using linear algebra to solve the equations to locate perfect strongholds is not technically using external software other than mental maths, if you would like to share the equations I would love to take a look at them as currently studying maths at uni so this is my jam lol

Alberta, Canada

That rule only applies to random seed, for set seed anything is fair game for finding or optimizing seeds.

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My current Python code for portal finding (I think it should be right in theory but have not confirmed it): [x1, z1] = [float(x) for x in input("Enter the x- and z- (respectively, and not y) coordinates of where the first ender eye starts. Separate two floats with spaces").split(" ")] [x2, z2] = [float(x) for x in input("Enter the x- and z- (respectively, and not y) coordinates of where the first ender eye finishes. Separate two floats with spaces").split(" ")] [x3, z3] = [float(x) for x in input("Enter the x- and z- (respectively, and not y) coordinates of where the second ender eye starts. Separate two floats with spaces").split(" ")] [x4, z4] = [float(x) for x in input("Enter the x- and z- (respectively, and not y) coordinates of where the second ender eye finishes. Separate two floats with spaces").split(" ")]

m1 = (z2 - z1) / (x2 - x1) m2 = (z4 - z3) / (x4 - x3) c1 = z1 - m1 * x1 c2 = z3 - m2 * z3

ans_x = (c2 - c1) / (m1 - m2) ans_z = m1 * ans_x + c1

print ("The portal is at (x,z) =", ans_x, ans_z)

It's really simple, you just use input the start and finishing coords of two ender eye throws and then it obtains two lots of y = mx + c, which can be solved using the above equations.

But I suppose using a computer program (e.g. running Python 3.6 on codio.com) is not disallowed even on random seed, as I could theoretically do it mentally.

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Update: the above program seems not to be working, probably need to revise the calculations.

It should be possible though: Toycat was doing this on the Console versions of Minecraft but I imagine the same logic applies to Java?

Illumina, please can you confirm using a program to compute the location of an end portal using Python 3.6 in codio.com I wrote myself, which uses the coordinates obtained by throwing an eye of ender whilst doing the run, does not use the world seed, on a random seed speedrun, is allowed?

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Alberta, Canada

I think it's allowed, but your run would be under 'F3".

I want to make a coop speedrun with seed, this is allowed?

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It doesn't seem to be a category right now but I suppose we could create one?

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You could try downloading the old launcher? I'm sorry, I don't particularly know, but I hope you manage to fix it :)

Also, in case this helps, it seems that 1.7.2 is most common amongst the top RSG runs so that's probably your best bet (I don't know exactly why though.)

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How do I use an in-game timer? I can't figure out how to use the one named IGT_vccc6.jar

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can i use the one listed in statistics? im playing on 1.14.2

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can we do the speedrun with a launcher other than Minecraft?

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I don't think so

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Am I allowed to use everything under resources if i'm doing co-op like spawn finder and enchantment cracker?

I want to do a run on LAN with my friend, but the rules say no cheats, so I can't do /time set 0. Do I have to use a server?

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Geosquare says that the spawn finder is allowed for RSG co-op but not RSG solo. I see no problem with the enchantment cracker personally.

What category are you trying to do on your LAN? Why are you trying to change the time of day?

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Norway

How do I install the IGT?

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