Regarding Full gameruns, and the borring prologue.
8 years ago
France

So it's been now 20 or 30 full game runs for me. I know that most of you don't really care that much about Full Game runs but still your voice matter.

I was wondering of what you would be thinking of skipping the prologue in "NG+ all mission <<Insert category restriction>> " runs has we happend to do it in mission 46 anyway.

Pros: It allow runners to restart more often and offer an higher end quality run because they don't have to sit through the 15minutes of the prologue at every single reset.

Cons: You can be faster, or you can bee slower in Prologue 00 so it has to be part of the All missions run.

Please tell me what you think about this matter. Some speed games skip prologue / Tutorial for the sake of the run being more intresting.

Switzerland

I'm not running this category so I don't have much say in this, but the prologue is so boring and handholdy and not fun to watch either, so I'd say off with it.

United States

Well, if it's "All Mission," technically the Prologue isn't a mission. If we're going to get into semantics. I'm fine with eliminating it from NG+ runs. Needs to stay on any% runs though.

France

Thanks for your input guys. Hope other people also voice their opinion. That's really important.

And as i said Basler (Not fun to do, not fun to watch, little to no improvement possible) i don't think prologue is good in anyway. It's long for no real reason. It got basicly 2 trick to make it 10 secondes faster and they are hard to messed up.

@Entropy4 you meant NG rather than Any% right ? ^^

Yes in NG it has to be there since this is really the start of the run. As for NG+ we would just switch the starting mission / timer from accepting prologue to Selecting ASAP in MO 01.

United States

Yes, by any% I meant new games.

Newfoundland, Canada

Is there any reason why you have to do the missions in order? I mean, it sucks having to do the prologue twice in one run, but it would probably be a lot better if you didn't have to play for 15 minutes before you got to somewhere where you might reset.

California, USA

I agree with bre3zeR

Technically the prolog isn't a mission. There's no reason to have to do a tedious tutorial like that in NG+.

As someone who is practicing to do full mission runs I vote nay for the "prolog".

I want to run NG at some point and although I'm going to hate doing the prolog I think it should be mandatory for that category. Unless there's a way around it for NG.

Alberta, Canada

since its NG+, you have all missions unlocked. you should just do the missions in order from hardest to easiest.

this means the prologue is not right at the start and is not an obnoxious waste of time while getting to the hard parts of runs like it is in NG any%

EDIT: this is just to say prologue doesnt have to be the start of NG+ any%, not whether or not it should be, but if one of the main arguments against it being in is that it takes that much more time to get to the real run, it doesnt have to since its NG+

France

Thanks for your input @MHypno

Also to @your_name_here & Naegleria At the moment i'm the only one running my category (i think..) i do mission in order because it's simpler for me, it allow me to read my note, and it's easy to track for anybody how far i'm in the run.

I always say on stream that i'm lazy, and i do not wish to reroute the entire game to do mission out of the order. And that one day, one dude will come with a reroute and take the WR because of it. (I will let that up to someone, and use his work when someone come up with a route that is out of order.)

Most of the time it would be faster to travel 100 to 300 meters and start another mission (out of the order(There is even 6 missions in the game when done in the order allow you to start from the ground(9>10, 11>12, 41>42))) to gain some time. Chopper starting scene does take around 20 to 30 secondes depending on the mission.

But once again that isn't the question here. OneHand Regardless of the order that i'm taking right now.

All i wish to know is do poeple think that we should do the prologue(MO 00) or not ?

Ps: Also do you really found / Think that would be intresting to have 5 hard missions(22, 6, then the extreme ver of missions) at the start of the run then a slowly dying run in term of execution and overall intrest in variety of level ? (2 time prologue at the end, with MO 14, and probably others mission that basicly just ask you to go from point A to point B.)

The flow of the game as it's right now (Done in the numerical order) is great to run, great to watch. Got his hard part at the start, middle, and at the end. this balance is great for the entertaiment purpose. Not for the speed i would admit that.

So yeah, the only reason i don't start by the hardest mission, is to run the game as it's intended (Numerical Order) because on top of that it make it more intresting to watch.

Switzerland

i think ng+ runs shouldnt contain the prologue , its basically a cutscene and takes pretty much the same amount of time everytime

England

I don't think removing a mission because you find it boring is a good excuse at all. Saying it is basicly a cut-scene is incorrect as it does have gameplay and its even possible to fail. Its arguable that mission 2 has less gameplay inside of it and I cannot see anyone trying to argue that it isn't a mission. You simply can't call a category All Missions without doing all the missions.

Nothing is stopping people from doing runs without doing mission 0 but calling it All Mission Ng+ would just be incorrect.

You also have to consider it would stop people finding new tricks and times saves that may be applicable to the mission.

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Bulgaria

Remove it for NG+ aside from 46 i guess. You obviously cant skip it on new files.

France

Yup. So since nobody voice against it we will from now on remove 00 in NG+ All mission. For all the reason said above.