Been thinking about learning to run this game considering the huge amount of time I've already put into it. But looking at the rules (mostly for IL boards since full-game misses alot of rules) I noticed that Cyborg Ninja/Raiden are restricted in the main categories. Even in IL "Any%" they're banned, and they have their own category (which nobody runs). Why is this? They don't restrict rank and it's not like it removes any challenge from the missions. It just speeds up the boring parts (running to the objective).
It's a nice comparison to see, but for it to be relevant to the runs, the race would have to include the entry and exit of car, horse and d-walker. (I think the main reason for the banning of Raiden etc is it would mean people would have to literally invest 200+ hours into a game before being able to start running it competitively, because up until that point they'd be slower running speed than everyone else.)
Each of them goes ~485 meters, it takes D-Walker roughly 28 seconds and Raiden 38. The D-Walker entry and exit animation are about 2 seconds. This means D-Walker travels at ~17.3m/s and Raiden at ~12.8m/s. Adding on entry and exit, Raiden would have a ~51.2m head start and the difference in their speed is ~4.5m/s, meaning D-Walker would regain his lead if the race goes on for longer than ~11.4 seconds. This also assumes you would have to exit D-Walker at all to finish the mission.
Getting S-Rank on every main mission is incredibly simple. It would not come even close to taking 200+ hours.
"It would take too long to unlock" is not a good reason to ban something in an NG+ category honestly. There's plenty of great weapons you are free to use that have crazy requirements.
If that is really the reason Raiden is banned I can provide a save file with it (and all other offline developments) unlocked. Actually I might start working on that regardless. My main file has all of that but I'd rather not hand that out freely.
I understand what you're saying and the points I'm making are my own, not the point of view of the mods. If the change was made it wouldn't affect me at all but If you take a step back and view it from the needs of the many, not the needs of the few, then you'll understand what I'm saying is productive.
Personally, my view is that the scene is pretty much dead already and anything that makes it harder for new people to compete works against the scene even further. Easy WRs are slow and will never have the need to be improved lol. Lack of competition is what's stopped my all tasks runs in their tracks at the moment tbh. (But then I only look at this site, if there's another with more up to date runs then do let me know.)
Going by the times on the leaderboards, then (assuming you had literally 0 S-ranks in your casual playthrough which I consider an impossibility) then you would need 101:34.824 to get S-rank on every mission. Even adding on 3 extra minutes for every level that's still less than 3.5 hours of playtime. Raiden suit is not a serious barrier of entry to running this game.
zefie even if hes slower then d-walker and dhorse, if a mission requires you to run at all, raiden would be faster then snake.... even if only a couple ms
so unbanning raiden would just require every single run to be done with raiden... it would only raise the barrier of entry, maybe saving a second or 2 (for everyone)... so it seems like it just making it harder to get into running this game... then again, it seems nobody is still running this game, so if we can get some new talent on board by putting all the records up for grabs.... sure why not... :P
so while i think its kinda unnecessary to unban him (since it will just require everone to use him) im also not really opposed.
also doesnt raiden have some other properties that are different then snake... like running into enemies knocks then down or something? stuff like that could actually be bigger change compared to the slightly faster run speed. but i havent even botherd to unlock him, so someone else will ahve to explain what else is different compared to raiden
Barrier of entry literally does not matter. That's a given for NG+ runs. Peace Walker also requires Stealth Camo which is probably more work than unlocking Raiden here. Besides, I will supply an NG+ file when I finish it. Currently I don't have a lot of time, so it'll take a little while, but I will upload it here.
And yes Raiden does knock down guards by running into them. Might save a bit of time in a few ILs but it's pretty minor.
I will start speedrunning this game when I have more time. However I will be using Raiden regardless of what's decided here. If that would prevent me from submitting here, so be it, but I think it's a silly restriction.
hmm i remember now why there was a restriction on raiden...
the ingame tool tip says that using raiden restricts the Rank to A.... which isnt true at all... but now the question is do we "respect" the tooltip or abuse the bug that it lets us still get S-rank using raiden...
i say even if the tool tip says it restricts it to A... if it doesnt ACTUALLY restric it to A i think it shoould probably be fair game...
only problem is that if they ever patch it (they may have already havent played in awhile) to actually restrict, then all the runs would be invalid (or would have to be moved over to any%)
The tooltip doesn't say it restricts your rank. Maybe it did in the past, but it doesn't anymore.
Since they removed that text there's no need to worry it will suddenly start restricting in a future patch.
Guess we're all good to use it then
awesome.... glad they changed that :D... so id say raiden is a GO... unless anyone has problem with that? no? noone?....
well now all we need is for the mods to show up and change the rules
