Megumin, I couldn't agree more on the thinking on the fly and decision-making skills of not pausing, but I'm caught up in the technicalities of enforcing it, which in the end, is the most important part of these rules. I do think that not pausing fits more with how RSG is played, but it is just hard to figure out when you should be allowed to pause and for what reasons, and what you can do while paused, and I feel that it is just easier on the mods to verify runs (and for runners to know what they are allowed to do) if pausing is allowed. Though I do think if we could make the IGT count pauses as time, it could work, but there is another whole host of issues regarding that which I'm not going to get into right now. I think this is a very important discussion and I would like some verifiers to weigh in on how they feel about having to verify legitimate and illegitimate pauses.

for me pauses should count as IGT, to punish pausing to realize what's going on or to check f3

My thoughts are that pausing should be allowed for lag, loading in chunks, changing RD and FOV, etc. but I think pauses should be banned for triangulating and math in general.

This is why I started this discussion, since it is a controversial topic after the most recent runs. Kokonut, in general I agree with your statement, and yes, in case pausing gets limited by amount X, it should exclude stuff like chunk loading. Maybe allow the menu while chunk loading with no F3 on it. Other than that, I agree with the opinion about how rsg is a category of quick descision making. That's how I see it and how I watched it for the past year. (At this point I want to state that I don't want to lower the performance of Brentilda, even with 10 years of trying around I wouldn't be able to pull that off).

What you told me about the seed related thing: It is partly true. The advantage that we are looking at closer is at some point seed related, but not exclusively as it seems right now. This discussion should not be affected by the research we are working on, but by the general question if pausing should be still allowed or not only.

Aethona: Problem here would possible be that there is still room for argumentation wether something was related to e.g. lag or not. But I like the general idea of that, especially for triangulating or adding up the numbers for blind travel coors should be done without pausing. But then again, maybe someone pauses 20 seconds later for some reason and in reality hes just calculating.

Technically one could say: Pausing is allowed if it's not used for e.g. math. But then again you would have heaps of discussion from submitted runs that want to state they didn't pause for math but for reason xyz. This is why I would bring up strict, but easy to understand rules regarding this. I don't have the perfect solution in my pocket, that's why I can only suggest stuff here and hope that more people are taking part in this discussion and pick a side in wether they would change the rule or would like to have it stay like it is.

And even if we stop talking about advantages, maybe we should talk about how we (you) see RSG runs. Maybe you don't care, maybe you are one of the people who like the flow of them and you don't like the pausing just for aesthetics. Keep contributing to this, just remember, this is just a discussion post, so stay friendly (which worked wonderful until now, let's keep it that way!)

This is not speedrunning while Pauseing the Game ..

Personally i am really split. While i like to pause to collect myself because with a game thats so rng based it can get a lot when you see something thats so good and can make you very sort of exited and nervous I feel like runners should be able to pause to control that. However i absolutely think we shouldn't be able to pause to make decisions. Decision making is counting towards your run in a big way. I honestly don't know what moderators should do. Having said that i think the mods need to make a decision soon otherwise there will be a big split and it might get a bit messy. Brentilda has every right to do do what he did because it is not breaking the rules.

I'd say pausing to e-ray (locate bastions), do necessary IRL stuff, or doing stuff like reducing or increasing chunks that requires you to go to the pause screen is fine. The issue is when you exploit pausing like Brentilda did at the start of the run and when entering the nether to analyze the world while losing the least time possible.

Another thing... imo, F3 + Esc should not be allowed. Its only purpose is to exploit pausing.

That being said I stumbled across a video where someone used pausing to complete the portal in SSG faster, since he was moving his mouse in the pause screen (at least if im not mistaken, that is what he did). Again, everyone could do that, but its not really the point of "speed"running imo. Wouldn't affect RSG too much tho since the margins aren't that thin in RSG than they are in SSG.

f3 + esc ban when

mucho texto idk but pausing doesnt have any advantage more other than using the time for thinking and that, so discuss if the time adds or not while pausing but i automaticaly banning a run for a key press that just stops the game is kinda senseless maybe add a limit of time during the pausing until it starts counting for the igt or something, so doing trigonometrical things and having to spend a lot of time paused for the speedrun is not part of every run lol actualy there are other uses like the one of the actual set seed WR of changing the chunks just at the moment you enter the end, i think that for example is kinda fair and shouldnt be added to the time, that also helps for the render if you dont have a omega pc gaming and stuff like that

by the way what does f3+esc lol

It pauses the game without the pause screen, so it looks pretty much as if it was unpaused. Sorry if I didn't explain that correctly

pausing is fine for dimension loading, so it is fine to pause at start, at nether entry, at overworld and at end entry, since it count as a loading screen anyways, excesive pausing has been an issue in a lot of games, it is annoying to watch, annoying to perform and annoying to verify (i assume).

fe666 also paused game when calculating how to fill in his nether portal and his run still has been verified, also when ur pausing ur not playing, so IGT is 100% fine. There isn't anything written in rules about pausing, so it's also 100% legal. btw mods are kinda annoying, because they sometimes create new rules after someone submits a new run and they r veryfing this new run with new rules. for mods: law is not retroactive. Brentilda's run is around 9:3X IGT, so don't even disagree with it guys

I feel like this discussion about pausing is more a concern about the entertainment of speedrunning Minecraft. Is there any (dis)advantages of either timing method if everyone can use the same strats (even if one involves the abuse of pausing)? The biggest difference will be the skill level and entertainment from the runners and viewers.

I don't care which timing method will be used, as long as it is fair and square for everyone. But if we talk about entertainment, I'd prefer RTA-loads.

Karl Jobst has made a recent video about this

@PomaGIER You didn't get the point, did you? We are not talking about done runs like fe666 or Brentilda or anything, this discussion is exclusevly for FUTURE runs. Just to make the obvious clear again. Nobody has the intention to take anything away from someone, everyone here is still impressed by the achievement of everyone submitting runs to this leaderboard.

The comments below the video of Karl Jobst are speaking for itself tho.

i don't want that minecraft goes the same path that perfect dark did

I like mc speedrunning is great

I don't think we should pause