Hi there everybody!
I am brand new to the speedrunning scene, and I have some questions regarding capsule builds. There are many good resources here, and Miggnuggets' guide on YouTube has been invaluable (especially in learning guard cancels so I can pwn the computer as well as the friend I play with).
Making a capsule build for maximum damage is a no-brainer, but there are so many options, that I thought I might ask:
1) Are you guys using "Sayian Spirit" on Goku?
It offers a whopping +25 to attack (and +30 to defense) but takes away your ability to guard – which seems fine if your planning on wombo-comboing the computer into oblivion anyway. If you then add "Z Sword" you end up with an attack boost of +35! This is even greater than the attack bonus from from "Rage!!!" (+28 for for 20 seconds) and also bypasses the time restriction (even though winning each fight in 20 seconds or less is probably the goal, regardless). Using "Saiyan spirit" and "Z sword" for Goku also only takes up two slots instead of the three needed for "Rage!!!".
My Goku is currently:
- Viral Heart Disease (two slots)
- Vaccine (one slot)
- Saiyan Spirit (one slot)
- Z-Sword (one slot)
- Kamehameha (two slots/doubled)
2) How do you guys optimize Gohan?
Gohan in the bread and butter of the speedrun, taking the bulk of the battles. Thus, he really needs to be strong! So far, I am still uncomfortable using Super Kami Water as I am still weening off the "Vaccine" for my "Viral Heart Disease". Remember, I am new runner. For maximum damage with out the water, I am trying to get to the "Rage!!!" mark. I have done so by mixing "SSJ," "Mixed Blood Power," and "Z-Sword." This gives the same damage plus (+28) while in SSJ-form but removes the time restriction of Rage.
My Gohan build so far consists of:
- Super Saiyan (one slot)
- Mixed Blood Power (one slot)
- Z-Sword (one slot)
- Viral Heart Disease (two slots)
- Vaccine (one slot)
- Kamehameha (one slot)
2) Is it better to add a second "Kamehameha" to the builds over something like "Z Sword" or "Mixed Blood Power"?
I am unsure if the flat attack bonus is better than a buffed 'Meha? I do know how to guard cancel, but not perfectly so. As such, it is difficult to know whether two times 'Meha on the build is more damage than another +5 to +10 attack bonus.
Looking forward to seeing your replies! My current PB is 59mins. I don't expect to be taking any records, but I need to be able to beat the friend that I am trying to reach 100% capsules with. xD
PS. I have made an Excel sheet with all of the capsules (both the CB and PS2 versions). Let me know if any of you need it for reference.
It took us ages to find out that we are merely missing "Puar's Wish" for completion.
Yo gamer, welcome to the community and congrats on the sub 1hr time! These are my notes from last year that were pinned in the discord server.
Here's the Capsule setup for New Game + Budokai 2:
Goku:
Kamehameha x2, Viral Heart Disease, Super Kami Water, Saiyan Spirit
Gohan:
Kamehameha x2, Viral Heart Disease, Super Kami Water, Z-Sword
Krillin:
Kamehameha x2, Viral Heart Disease, Super Kami Water, Rage!
Kid Trunks (If you prefer to use him over Krillin)
Buster Cannon x2, Viral Heart Disease, Super Kami Water, Rage!
Supreme Kai
Shockwave x2, Viral Heart Disease, Super Kami Water, Rage!
I think 2x kamehameha is a better overal damage boost for Gohan over mixed blood power. If youre doing the optimal combos or at least trying to, the 2x kame from the back will do a lot more than the small buff from MBP.
It'd be awesome if you could share that spreadsheet with us, itd be really useful! I planned on doing an all capsules speedrun some day even if it would take a million hours, so something like that would be a great help.
Feel free to join the discord server and give yourself the Dragon ball role during the intro questionaire. Itll give you access to just the DB channels including budokai where the other B2 runners can more actively answer questions and help out. Cheers and good luck w your runs!
Thank you for the info. I might join the Discord soon!
My friend and I are now practicing running with Viral Heart Disease and Super Kami Water for maximum damage! Scary stuff!
I don't know how/where to upload my Excel spreadsheet for capsules. Got any ideas?
-Gvacamole
No problem! you can post them here on the board page under guides. It may not allow you to without a run submitted, if so you can post in the thread here and I can repost it in guides w your name as the author.
I have uploaded it to guides.
Please notice that format is a little wonky, as it would not allow me to just upload the Excel file.
Each entry includes the name of the capsule. Some of them also contain:
- "used by"
- "P" for multiple uses in custom mode (e.g. 2x kamehameha)
- A brief explanation of what it does
- "non-tradable"
- "GameCube only"
Hope it is of use!
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