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SupporterAll that seems reasonable enough to me. I will work on implementing these changes in a way that is clear and concise throughout the week in addition to giving the other 4 boards their complete makeovers. Anyone else have any input? Now's the time to let me know!
Okay, I just finished completing a basic makeover of the Super Turbo board, and it already looks MUCH better. I'm looking for feedback from you all regarding what categories should be included, taking into consideration everything Rakurai posted above.
For the Arcade category, it looks like everyone exclusively runs the JPN version, which is good because apparently that is the correct, fixed version. Should we agree to only accept JPN version runs for Arcade? Should we accept both Normal and Hardest difficulties? These are the kind of questions I'd like to address.
For the 30th Anniversary collection, I'm very much inclined to agree with Rakurai that we should only accept hardest runs due to the reasons he stated. Thoughts?
I look forward to your feedback.
Good idea. I'll make a post on the Super Turbo board and get some feedback.
Okay, I'm happy to report I just spent the evening giving the Super Turbo board a basic makeover, and it looks MUCH better now.
There is still a question that remains regarding exactly how many category tabs we want to include. If you want to include both INT and JPN versions of Arcade and 30th Anniversary, that will double the categories. If you want to include both Normal and Hardest difficulties, that will double those categories. If you want to add 3D0, Saturn, and Dreamcast, the categories start growing exponentially. Lucky for us, no one has made a submission for most of these, but you can see the potential issue that could arise if we let categories get out of control.
I really tend to lobby for fewer categories over more categories for the sake of simplicity and keeping the board looking clean. Let me know what you think, and we can find a solution.
I'm going to level with you. I am thoughtfully considering all of the points raised here insofar as they are based on true information and are directed towards improving and maintaining a clean board. That is the duty with which I was entrusted, and I intend on honoring that commitment. I will always be receptive to your input.
However, I think the manner in which you all have chosen to bring up your concerns is way out of line. Barging in all at once like you own the place, making demands, and threatening to take site admin action if I don't comply is absolutely unacceptable conduct. You are not my boss. You do not own me. I am not your slave to do your bidding. You will not institute "mob rule." I will listen to your concerns with an open mind and consider various points of view for the good of the board, but you will ultimately respect all my decisions as final.
Moreover, I did some research on your "discord" group and have been informed it only has a few members, encourages toxic behavior sometimes, and in no way represents the entirety of "The Street Fighter Community" at large. The vast majority of your members have never even submitted a speedrun to the SF2 leader boards at all. In fact, most of you in this thread have never submitted a run to these boards either, which means you are not a member of THIS community: The Street Fighter II Speedrun Community. Ergo, you have no claim to any authority here as most of you don't even run the games.
Allow me to make that last point crystal clear: You are not a member of this community if you don't even run the games.
To answer your questions though, I am currently seeking an additional mod. I already have some folks in mind. They need to actively run the games and be of trustworthy character. I will let you know when I've made my selection. I recently added Slowpoke316 as mod because he has been an active mod of World Warrior even longer than myself, and we have enjoyed a good working relationship for a long time. I fully intend on revamping the boards so they look nice with updated rules, but that is a big project and will take time to ensure it is completed correctly with no errors.
In the meantime, please desist with baseless accusations as I have done nothing wrong. I am not "in breach" of anything. I never dismissed or shot down any concerns. I am actively working to implement most of the changes for which you have asked. Please stop nagging me. Again, I simply ask for your patience while I take care of everything.
Thank you for this information. I will do my best to take these items into consideration when revamping the board and the rules.
I can easily add extra platforms. That is no problem.
None of your mods will ever be admitted to these boards, so stop asking.
Additionally, if you all could conduct yourselves in a less "aggressively pedantic" manner, that would probably facilitate things a lot more smoothly. Thank you.
I have listened to all of your feedback and will do my best make necessary changes according to what I think is most reasonable. Please be patient.
Progress update: "30th Anniversary" categories successfully added to both Hyper Fighting and New Challengers. Super Turbo will take more time because that page needs a complete overhaul in order to accommodate the new categories, so just be patient. It's on the way.
As requested, brand new "30th Anniversary" categories added for World Warrior and Champions Edition. Stay tuned for more.
For the sake of simplicity, I will create the additional category, but I don't think it will be realistic to account for literally every potential variable you've listed here. We can of course address those details later as we receive more information.
Let's go ahead and tackle what looks like your biggest issue first, which is the proposed separation between the Arcade versions and the 30th Anniversary versions. It had been my understanding that while there are some speed differences, they weren't significant enough to justify an entire category split. If you can demonstrate via any information you have that the speed differences are indeed enough to warrant such a split, I will create a new and separate "30th Anniversary Collection" category to accommodate it.
If anyone has any more to share, please feel free to post it here. The more input we have to work with, the better.
Thank you for bringing your concerns here on the forum, because before today I was completely unaware that anyone had any issues with how I have been running the board. I have consistently approved incoming submissions within a reasonable time frame and replied to forum posts when it made sense to. I will address all of your concerns here one by one:
My speedruns are my content, and as such I reserve the right to post or not post my content. Choosing not to upload a run is not against the rules. Same goes for deleting any of my runs that I no longer wish to be publicly displayed. That is my right as it is my content. Deleting my own runs is not against the rules.
No one has ever complained to me about "verification accuracy." I do not require assistance running the boards myself, but if this is a community concern, I will consider reaching out to Slowpoke (who has been a long-time moderator of World Warrior) and see if he has interest in being added to the other Street Fighter II games, as I definitely trust him.
I have seen many other speedrun boards where the moderator approves their own runs, so I didn't think it was that big of an issue because it doesn't make a run intrinsically more or less valid strictly speaking. Again, if this really is that big of a concern, we can possibly get Slowpoke to re-verify those runs so everything looks squeaky clean.
As mod, I have the authority to add extra categories as it makes sense to. I received a lot of requests to add individual character categories, so I listened and gave the community what they wanted. I recently added one additional category to Hyper Fighting because of an enormous speed option discrepancy. That decision seemed perfectly sensible for a variety of reasons. If anyone has an issue with that, this is the place to discuss it. That's what this forum is for. Bring your concerns to me, we can have a dialogue, and we can troubleshoot.
I don't do "discord" stuff. Again, if you have an issue, bring it here on the speedrun forum where it belongs, and we'll solve it. I can't fix anything unless you report a problem.
In summary, I have done absolutely nothing wrong or against the rules. In fact, I have done my best to maintain a clean board with reasonable approval turnaround time and no cheaters. I have replied to forum posts when anyone has a question or concern. Additionally, I absolutely do not appreciate you attempting to go over my head (submitting a "support ticket") before even so much as having a conversation with me. I consider that to be highly disrespectful and unprofessional conduct.
Before I was brought on as moderator, these boards were a mess. Arcade and console categories were all lumped together, and I properly separated them. It sometimes took well over a month to get a run approved on here, and I have been providing a much faster turnaround time for everyone. I'm always available to discuss anything here, but yet again, you have to make your concerns known to me. Otherwise we can't solve any issues that crop up.
Thank you for your time, -Andy
Was recently informed of this post as it did not show up in my notifications, but a late reply is better than no reply at all.
I felt it was necessary to add "Extra Speed" as a bonus category because (in the case of the SNES version) a code is required to unlock additional speed stars and because gameplay at that speed just looks ridiculous and silly. Main runs should be kept within the default number of speed stars, and this way, players who wish to crank the speed beyond that can use this bonus category.
As far as organizing the board in such a way that this extra category is only displayed under SNES/Genesis and not under Arcade, I will need to conduct some research to figure that out.
Good to know. I can get to work on a clarified rule list so there is no confusion.
Yes, go ahead and just submit again.
Don't overthink it.
For our purposes, we consider the 30th Anniversary Collection to simply be another form of arcade emulation. I'm aware of some speed differences, but there are also speed differences depending on which version of MAME is used or if you're running on a MiSTer as well, and it would be impractical to have categories for every possible difference, especially because we have an insanely high number of categories as it currently stands. If you're looking to get your best possible time, my advice would be to play whichever version of the game you think runs fastest.
As far as which emulators for each console are allowed, my understanding is that this sort of thing is generally universally recognized across the sr platform, but if you need more details, I'll refer you to speedrunslive list of accepted emulators:
"Can I play on an emulator?
If the emulator is accurate and the community for that game accepts emulator as a valid choice, then yes, you can. The most commonly used emulators for each system include:
NES - FCEUX 2.2.0
GB - bgb
SNES - SNES9x 1.53
GBA - VBA 1.7.2
Genesis/GameGear/SMS - Fusion
N64 - Project64 v1.7
For reference, the following emulators are globally banned for use in racing:
SNES - ZSNES, snes9x 1.4x
N64 - Project64 2.x
GB/GBC - VBA, VBA-M
GBA - VBA-M (use VBA instead. If VBA does not support your GBA game, please contact an op.)"
Same as the rules for Super Metroid: https://wiki.speedga.me/Leaderboard_Submission_Rules
You may also use the MiSTer FPGA if you happen to have one of those.
