Can you add my time to the spreadsheet just for more data, not sure if I just got a shit SSD (if someone can message me exact models of the other guys SSDs I can test, not necessarily all three but I can at least see if I get 25 difference from one of theirs). RTA 3:48:45 IGT 3:21:47 (only had like 15-20 seconds of cutscene watching at end).

If someone knows one of their SSD models you can put my data down as like SSD1 or something and I can get the same SSD as them and try SSD2. To me personally I just dont think I lose 2 minutes to loads on the other guys. I tweeted about this, I may be wrong but depending on the price of their models I may be willing to test.

Also this is for Pro SSD which would make mine inconsistent with the other people currently on the list.

Updated on the idea of Thundara first before Monstropolis idea. Did a run last night where I decided to flip back to all of Monstropolis before visiting Frozen at all because I thought it was faster, but despite having what I thought was a good Monstropolis and then doing Frozen I had lost time on the Monstropolis/Frozen world segment in total (Was only 14 seconds) when I honestly was expecting to save substantial time.

Not saying this is conclusive evidence or anything like that, more or less just results after doing a few runs with getting Thundara before Monsters and then going back to the vanilla world order. (Just really hard to time a route change like this because of the amount of fights it impacts, all of Monstropolis forced fights [except the electric room fight] and 3 Frozen forced fights)

EDIT: I'm partially an idiot and forgot big time loss in Frozen, either way I think both routes are fairly close and once you practice either or enough until there is a solid way to test they may just both be up to preference.

There is also a 3 strength buster ring right next to purple mech in dice area in TB

On the IGT debate can we stop only conveniently quoting people that share the same opinion as others. As I have said some people have tested it and found inconsistencies some have tested it and found it consistent. The game has been out for everyone a week, it needs more testing. The more helpful solution would be for people to compile RTA/IGT/Any Deaths/Recording link to grab more data rather than saying "He agrees with me".

I don't think there is a person that disagrees an accurate IGT would be fantastic, lets just make sure IGT is accurate. It would be extremely disappointing if something were to be done just out of bias rather than testing.

Aeroza is pretty good to try and get first part of 3rd monsters mob fight.

Agree with no DLC until they are available for purchase, otherwise its just an arbitrary "You happened to Pre-order the most optimal version of the game" category (Which even so it would just be very similar to no DLC most likely except you get a few minute advantage based on choosing the correct pre-order).

Also agree with not a million separations due to people wanting to have a separate leaderboard for their specific console setup. SSD/HDD is fine enough.

Also seen a lot of talk about how some people say IGT is accurate and some say it is not. This needs a lot more testing that probably won't be confirmed before embargo. For an example I monitor all my IGT against RTA. 4:15 RTA wound up with a 3:50 IGT and on the same setup a 4:13 RTA wound up with a 4:16 IGT. So I managed to apparently play the game in such a way that I time traveled. I've also had runs where RTA was within a minute but IGT was 5 minutes apart.

Only 1 forced fight includes the thunder heartless, which that room is a big issue in both doing it first and 2nd just because there are so many of them and they move around really quickly, seen that fight done differently a lot because its such a painful room. I have only tested monsters 2nd and not the partial leaving of frozen. The mob fights go super fast but that has only been tested with thundera + the 3rd accessory slot not just thundera. Either way ye needs testing not enough data as think I'm only one throwing it occasionally in runs.

New Frozen idea, go frozen first, get thundera and leave for monstropolis. Only requires you to do half the larxene nobody fights and you get it directly next to a save point. Downsides are obviously load time, and you do not get far enough in for 3rd accessory slot (you get that after olaf mob fight, only problem with this is there is not a good save point at all in frozen to leave after getting 3rd accessory. Next free one would be after marshmellow fight). Also still haven't fully tested all of frozen first, but just floating ideas for people that like experimenting with different routes.

Probably a good idea to grab it, haven't read the description of it to see how much munny it generates. But regardless its close enough that if you grab it worst case scenario is you are only losing a few seconds. If it generates enough you can guarantee a 5 magic ring purchase in final world.

That routing idea is really easy to test, it was brought up a lot yesterday, someone just needs to time the load from going to save point to gummi world screen and then load from gummi screen to loading back into TB. If those loads are a time you reasonably expect to save on UFO then it can be worth. Since you do not gain anything of strong worth on UFO the actual timing of it becomes extremely easy since you have the same effective power. You still should level TT to at least 1 even with that route. You are just losing stats if you choose not to upgrade TT keyblade.

Testing ruining everyone's routes again by working on Frozen before MINC. I have a proper timing of MINC time save, but forgot to time until like half way through Frozen. Will update with proper timings.

Reasoning for testing: -Frozen grants 3rd accessory slot -Has a 4 magic ring chest -Gives Thundara (MINC is just a weak mob rush so really good for every MINC room except electric room)

Tested that you can still relatively comfortably skip wolf's 2nd DM Max Focus and Fire Spam is still effective at clearing most things in Frozen. By end of Frozen you are not missing any effective Magic stat only Fira/Simba

MINC time save was about 6 minutes for my quick test (obviously will have some error just because was against my pb), this one will definitely be closer than the TB/Corona order

Tested Xehanort DM skip, found most consistent setup was fire 3 times at start (when he is doing purple ball attack), guard balls, ether after balls, guard his attacks until he reaches the point he is staggerable, full fire combo with firazaga and then focus as much as you can as fire is traveling to him.

With Corona 7 route + crepe food active.

A lot of activity on the routing section but will start adding some fights that I've gotten a few questions on. Obviously these may change based on route, but just to give an early idea.

----------UFO (Route with doing Toy Box First)---------- (TB first route)

Important notes about this fight are that aerial recovery makes this a lot more manageable so don't forget to put it on. If he is in a spot that you can't quickly jump on his head abuse the max focus TT keyblade to teleport to his head (Partial focus doesn't teleport you to above his head). Clip doesn't do it but probably best to start by max focus to his head and then fire spam and save 2nd focus for his DM.

----------Tangled Boss---------- (TB first route)

Important notes about this fight are that if he starts to run away immediately max focus to him to make sure he doesn't DM (Max focus with TT keyblade is a teleport move, less than max is a similar to vanilla keyblade focus so make sure to do max only). If he starts doing the twirling torpedo like attack you skipped the first DM (pretty sure he only does that after the first DM).

----------Cloaked Org Fight----------

This is a bit of an extreme example but they sit in the corner pretty nicely here and hopefully you can hit multiple members with each spell situation command.

----------Demon Tide Twilight Town----------

Really annoying fight due to it being early game, best to do as much guaranteed damage as you can when the pattern is the same at the start. Demon Tide always moves the same way at the start. Chariot finisher was primed in previous nobody fight.

Will continue adding more

An update Toy Box before Tangled IMO.

Reason: Toy Box 3 fights outside of mech (where damage matters) Tangled think I counted 9 (if splitting monkeys and chariot into 2)

Toy Box gives Thunder really useful for clearing weak mob fights such as any fight with the little seeds in Tangled

Toy Box has a Fire Boost ring and unlocks second accessory slot. Which puts you in a stronger position against UFO than vs Tangled Heartless. Tangled Heartless if done first you have 3 magic. UFO you have 3 magic and 2nd fire boost.

The TT keyblade is also good at dealing with the UFO due to its max focus teleporting you above the targeted enemy. And combined with the fact with Tangled second you can DM skip the boss completely and melt him.

Hard to estimate it based off when I did the route switch because each run I may be saving time just due to playing better, but I think it saves roughly 2-4 minutes

As someone how had been playing on HDD PS4 original and switched to SSD PS4 original my IGT was about 45 minutes below my RTA and now about 20 minutes below my RTA (some other factors such as what IGT takes out in terms of deaths and menus would contribute)

Just a general skip to avoid forced slow walk part:

Also just general route thoughts on early game

Either: Go to TB first and upgrade star seeker once for use there (Havent tested but maybe have enough materials to upgrade Star Seeker 2 more times in tangled and then still have enough for 4 Corona upgrades in Monstropolis) or Go to Tangled first and upgrade star seeker once and OC once (Go to TB second and upgrade 3 times Corona)

Did the community switch to a discord server or do you still use that old TS server? Was just curious with a lot of the move to discord servers since it is extremely easy to join.