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SupporterNo, he simply misreported his time on the 0-10 submission (he reported 10:10 instead of 11:09). And since I don't have the rights to edit runs, I can't edit it the time to its proper value. I'm waiting for a S-mod to either promote me to regular mod, or correct the time themselves.
It all depends on what you want to do.
Do you "want to be the very best like no one ever was", with a complete disregard for the game's community? If so, keeping your discovery to yourself won't earn you any points with other runners. But then again, if community is not a priority to you, then by all means. But keep in mind that someone, someday, will figure out how you pulled that WR off, and will release the info. Then he'll get the credit for "discovering it" instead of you. And then the WR will get optimized by someone else with that new info.
The way I see it, even if you'd withhold the info for selfish reasons, you'd ultimately end up with the biggest loss when it's all set and done. You'll benefit from withholding the info on a short term basis, but will end up with the short end of the stick in the long run, and with no bragging rights.
Hello.
First of, before you tell me to go to the game's own forum, hear me out, as the current situation makes that endeavor... a bit impossible at the moment.
The situation is as follows: The game "Hydro Thunder" seems to have two different game entries on speedrun.com (one for the N64 version and one for the PSX version), when they are essentially ports of the same arcade game, similarly to San Francisco Rush 2049 for instance. This makes the "inquire with the game's forum" solution a bit intricate, as that specific title has been "split in two" for all intents and purposes.
Now the thing is, there are more than just two ports of that game. There's also a PC port, a Dreamcast port, along with all the other systems on which "Midway Arcade Treasures 3" (based on the DC port) has been released (Ergo: PlayStation 2, Gamecube, Xbox). That's a lot of ports, if you ask me!
Now what should be done about this? Should the two game entries be merged into one that would include all the other ports? I'm ultimately asking this because I plan on running that game on the PS2, but there's no game entry that seems to fit this. I don't think requesting a new game entry for each port would be an adequate solution. Rather, I believe this title could be better managed under one single game entry for all its ports.
Note: Hydro Thunder Hurricane is an entirely different game, by the way, and should not be a part of this.
Any thoughts?
When you can't recognize it was a horse, it means that horse died a long time ago. No further need to beat it up.
Hey, it could be worse. On the SNES Dragon Quest 5 page, my run's been sitting there for the last two months. Good thing I'm not holding my breath. XD
@Darpey Because people want to be seen "taking the high road" even when it's not warranted.
I'd rather be wrong and apologize when proven wrong (if it's at all worth it, depending on the case) than ignore the obvious that's laughing right at our collective faces.
This is getting old real fast now.
I'd be curious to see the IP logs of these accounts. Anyone knows if it's possible for kirkq to confirm IP matches in cases like these?
But I gotta ask: why this whole charade? Just... why?
Same confrontational style, with a diametrically opposed viewpoint, but with the same intent to stir the pot.
Now why would I make that assertion about your intent? Well, the very first thing you bring forth is your drama of the previous days. Quite a topic for a "new unconspicuous speedrunner".
C'mon now. Did you even try?
For the same reason your Dragon Warrior run was rejected, maybe?
I gladly would have accepted the invitation, but I'll be going back to school to get my degree in IT security. So I won't have enough of a life to take part in any major speedrun event for the next year and a half. :P
Just like you don't have to bring forth the "vendetta" defense every time someone questions your god.
Really? Are we going to argue the same way people bicker at one another on youtube comments?
...sadly, I guess we will. Might as well.
[quote]Video proof isn't mandatory on a lot of the leaderboards on speedrun.com.[/quote]
Oh for sure, but again, this speaks volume on how integrity is valued on those boards. And that doesn't change even if your rebuttal is "Here we go again.".
[quote]Ah, the classic fallacy to compare something that isn't the same.[/quote]
Except it is pretty much the same, and I'll tell you why in a moment. You blindly defend someone who refuses to bring forth reasonably expected evidence and you systematically refute logical arguments by meming and calling "ZOMG FALLACIES, UR ARGUMENT IS INVALID!" without even taking a second to see if that is the case. Calling fallacies isn't an autowin button. And it certainly isn't in such a clear-cut case.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Lafungo cheated; what I'm saying is that a reasonable level of evidence is expected not only from those who claim to hold a WR, but especially if said WR claim comes from a moderator, let alone the sole moderator of the game. If you can't agree that this expectation is reasonable, then I might as well call you Rudy.
But hey, since you made the claim that the two situations are different, I'll let you explain how your defense for Lafungo is any different from the defense all those TG guys had for Todd until his dispute finally got handled properly, and how it is any different from the defense those same TG guys have for good ole Bill. I'll wait.
[quote]Just because you watched some Apollo Legend videos that talk about cheaters who had a high position in the rankings doesn't mean that's the case for anything here.[/quote]
Is AL really your only reference point in that whole SNAFU? Well, whatever the case, I'll say that you're right: it's not the fact that this dude made videos about those other two TG guys that makes this specific situation the same; it's the fact that Lafungo didn't provide reasonable evidence while in a position of power. Which is exactly the same situation as when Mr Human Element himself entered his own scores in the TG leaderboards, with "Referee" as the verification method. So you're absolutely right, AL's videos have nothing to do with this situation. Hell, I don't even know why you brought AL into this. Perhaps as an attempt to discredit my point? Be that as it may, being in a position of authority and entering your own scores without providing reasonable evidence has everything to do with my point. AL is irrelevant. Try to meme on that now.
[quote]I told him to play the game instead of stirring up stuff that is completely wrong and off base.[/quote]
You totally missed the point here, but I'll take the blame for that one. I basically pre-emptively responded to an entirely too predictable rebuttal, just to cover my bases. It was nothing you said.
[quote]If you don't want to run the game just because of the leaderboards, then you don't care as much about the game. Nothing is holding you back from running it, just run and don't submit[/quote]
One of the many points of running games is to compare yourself to other fellow runners, see how you can improve. A leaderboard is the tool of choice to achieve that, assuming it is ran in a proper and transparent manner. You saying that I should disregard the leaderboard and run it in order to "prove that I care about the game" is absurd. If anything, mismanaging the board is not only a slap in the face to other runners, but it is a much, much more blatant display of that same carelessness you accuse me of.
Now that my points are clearer, will you respond to them or will you keep the condescending facade and meme on? Oh, and don't forget to leave out as much context as possible... wait, why am I telling you this? This is your M.O., after all...
@Goomba Y'know who else was defended with the same "If you think he's faking it, if you question his performance, you're an idiot" rhetoric?
Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell. Geez, I wonder what became of them lately... If anyone knows, feel free to let me know. ;)
In an era where integrity is being scrutinized more than ever, the dismissal of pleas for more rigorous verification methods, much like we see being done in this thread, speaks volumes about how integrity is valued on this specific leaderboard.
Yeah, yeah, "Why do you care? You don't run this game anyway!". As irrelevant as this argument is, I maintain that this should be a topic of interest for anyone who see themselves as a speedrunner. Especially in light of recent events within the speedrunning community.
But if I was to humor that irrelevant argument, I'd say that given how this LB is being managed, I wouldn't even try to run that game. Which is a shame since I enjoy a good SMK game once in a while.
Okay, so you're saying that just because framerate can't be precise enough to calculate milliseconds by the unit, we should ditch that altogether and calculate by entire seconds, which is even less precise?
This is silly, and a non-issue.
Do you have any idea how many runs per day this game's mods have to go through? I'll give you a hint: it's a LOT.
Plus, they're doing this on a voluntary basis. Ergo, they're not paid to do that. This is NOT their job.
Your run will be verified when they'll get to it, and posting a metric ton worth of posts and replies won't help.
Well, what I'm wondering is how do you judge stalling? It would end up being a thin line between being not skilled enough to score consistently and intentionally keeping the clock running while scoring once in a while. So in my opinion, stalling shouldn't be banned because of "purist reasons" (for a lack of better term).
Meanwhile, I believe having a 10-goal category, like NHL 94 on the SNES has, would be cool. This would require entirely different strats than WinTheGame%, and would make stall strats counter-productive.
Right now, WinTheGame% relies on three things: scoring once at the last second of the first period, letting the clock run with no game interruptions, and ending the other two periods in center ice. Once you get those three down, you get a good time and that's it. A 10-goal category would rely on skill. I believe it would be popular, given that the Big 20 is currently having a similar objective with 3 goals.
I'd be curious to have your thoughts on this.
Frame-counted the whole thing myself; it's as legit as can be!
