I might be the only person who thinks this, but Id like PC60 and Console to be on the same board if/when 60 and 120 are separated

I don't there's any evidence that framerate gives any advantage outside of knife strats. If I'm wrong about that, I'd love to see the evidence. But ultimately, my view is if one platform is faster, that's fine. There are plenty of cases where one platform is slower than another and they are on the same board. Just as most PC runners don't have a stable 120, they can upgrade their systems later on if they choose, a console runner can decide to upgrade to a PC later on, and can always filter the leaderboard by platform if they choose. It's my personal opinion that we are all playing the same game, so we should all be on the same leaderboard. I fully understand that many/most (possibly all) will disagree with me, but thats what I think.

EDIT: I'll take a moment to add that I play on Xbox One X, which has an incredibly stable 60 compared to the rest of the consoles, so you could say that my view on this is somewhat privileged. I'll be the first to admit that.

Is there really any point to assisted though? Sure it's a little faster but it's even less interesting than PC 120 imo, 3 difficulties is just overkill.

Not to mention the Auto-healing bullshit

@Anderson i run on One S. No problems there. My friends on og ps4. Yeah the framerate is trash compared to PC. But look at WR on console. Many of the OG ps4 and xbox players are faster than 60fps PC. Yeah that is a problem with the 120 meta. No new strats for pc 60 is found. If they seperated the board more players would play 60fps. And yes you right, PC and console should not be on the same boad

I dont see the problem with 3 difficulties. Some games have more than that.

If anything, standard makes less sense than assisted (at least for Leon at this point, cause of Claire's running speed in caution). Assisted for max speed, Hardcore for the challenge.

"Not to mention the Auto-healing bullshit" Why is that bullshit? Some people might not like it, but it's something the devs intentional put into the game.

Just cause it's easy, doesn't mean it should not be included. Imo thats an elitist way of viewing this.

if people wanna run it - let them :o

[quote]I might be the only person who thinks this, but Id like PC60 and Console to be on the same board if/when 60 and 120 are separated[/quote]

Putting console with PC is silly.

Reminder this whole thing is being separated due to framerate and knife, primarily coupled also with monetary issues / pay to win arguments. So, how could anyone then unironically sit there and say it's okay to throw the original Xbox One and Base PS4 in with PC 60fps? lol

Being ignorant to the other differences (aside from Knife) between PC and Console does not mean there aren't any differences.

Might as well separate all consoles (considering none can be compared as they all maintain totally separate framerate averages, especially the original Xbox One) at this point. Of course, just joking, but at the same time there is some blatant logic to doing that considering this entire standpoint.

It's not elitist, I originally expressed my opinion to other moderators to make the main category assisted instead of standard (before the board opened). imo it's one or the other. Like you said, assisted for max speed and hardcore for challenge that is also how I see it, the middle ground of standard would be pointless though imo if all 3 difficulties were a thing for New Game.

I'm not trying to be ignorant to any differences framerate causes outside of the knife. I just actually have yet to see any evidence that shows there is anything that affects your time. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong about this. If you know of anything, please show me. My question is, why is it okay for the to be discrepancies between one PC and another, but its not okay for there to be discrepancies from a console to a PC? I get that the mods are trying to keep things fair, and if this is their stance, then that's fine. It's not a big deal. It just feels like there's a double standard in play, because when it comes to PC "speedrunning is always pay-to-win, and there's no changing that" but for console runners "it's unfair". It's just my opinion, I'm more than happy to continue having a civil discussion but I think I've said all I have to say.

Rotating objects in menus with the mouse is faster than possible on console with a standard analog stick. Watch any optimized runner on PC rotate the machine part boxes (if they use mouse) to examine them, you can't do that on console with the analog stick. (And before the argument "Some PC runners use a controller" is used, that is a choice they made. The console version does not contain an interface to natively map to KB/M, or utilize a mouse. So it is not a choice on their behalf.)

Framerate on PC can be a consistent 60, which just isn't the case on console, especially the base models. Lower framerate = worse performance = slower.

Better movement, due to being able to map Up/Down/Left/Right to single keys (and double binding), instead of an Analog stick. This enables far more accurate movement across the board.

Mouse Menuing.

Mouse aiming is far more accurate and allows you to turn / aim at far faster speeds than possible on console with a controller, even at max sensitivity.

I have actually seen users on here post reasons saying exactly why console/PC aren't together, some of these potentially included the above. Either you've ignored what they said, or just didn't read their posts after they responded to you. People have given you valid reasons why PC / Console can't be compared. User's here are arguing for 60/120 on PC to be separated... so how you then think that Console/PC should then be together after this split, taking the many disadvantages into account (especially for people who don't have an Xbox One X or PS4 Pro), is pretty baffling.

I understand the input differences. We were talking about framerate. Worst performance on a console like og xbone doesn't affect your run time because it's IGT. I am here saying that I personally would prefer to have console runs included with 60 fps pc. I am ok with being at a disadvantage to input device, because I chose to not buy a PC. I'm not here to get wr by separating boards down to the smallest differences. I am here to compare my time to other people playing the same game. I don't care if other people have an advantage over me. I don't think this is silly or baffling at all. I understand the other side of the argument, and I understand I'm not going to change anyone's mind, so I'll leave it at that.

Yeah, after what have been said, I think it's definitely better to keep Console and 60FPS apart.

Worse framerate definitely does affect your run time. Play any shooter at 30fps, then play that same shooter at 60fps. Anyone who isn't feigning ignorance will notice the difference immediately.

Framerate affects the game's registry of inputs. As in, a game at 30fps can only accept half the inputs per second than a game at 60fps can. And considering the most optimized times right now are mere seconds apart, it would seem every second does count in this game.