does anyone know why you can't use silentpatch

I actually don't know so don't take my answer for granted But I think it may be because it makes the game run at 30fps instead of 25

Hopefully someone else will answer that actually knows

yea the SilentPatch runs the game in 30 fps instead 25 fps

idk why you would use silent patch to speedrun, its very logical the fact of everyone to playing the same gta in the same conditions, 1.01/1.0 in vanilla version. Silentpatch counts as a external mod/fix to GTA:SA, which is banned like every mod that isn't in this list https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/thread/ar4sg

just play in the same conditions like everyone in the lb (srry 4 eng)

If you play at 30 frames instead of 25, then in missions where the final result is IGT (not Real Time) - you will have a cheating advantage over 25 frames players

For example, take a look at the “world record” in mission "Into the Country": https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/run/ylkr412z

Player oPxrcy has “best” result in this mission (actually he has NOT). In-game time of this "wr" is 2:41. But let's look at the REAL time of this run

Youtube video processing has a slight error, however:

Start of the race - 00:11.657 Finish - 02:55.717

02:55.717 - 00:11.657 = 02:44.060 !!!!!

Yes, visually IGT of the Finish of this run is closer to 2:42 seconds than 2:41, but the difference between REAL time and in-game time is still MORE THAN TWO SECONDS (which is ETERNITY for racing)

And now take a look at the “second place” in the same mission: https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/run/y89e0gxm

This is my run, which in 3 months will be already 3 years old - 2:42 IGT. Again, look at REAL time (plus-minus a small error of Youtube video processing)

00:14.834 - Start of the race 02:57.933 - Finish

02:57.933 - 00:14.834 = 02:43.099

Visually IGT of the Finish of my run is closer to 2:42 seconds than 2:43. The difference between in-game and real time in this run is about one second (still a lot, but NOT MORE THAN TWO SECONDS, as in oPxrcy "2:41" run

If the dry figures are not clear enough for you, then just simultaneously run my 2:42 run and oPxrcy 2:41 run on one screen. Even a little earlier than the 2nd minute in-game time you will see that due to a much better driving technique, I am already ahead of oPxrcy (even though an early start gives him more than a second of advantage !!). Also already a little earlier than the 2nd minute IGT, you will see how oPxrcy's race timer begins to lag behind mine

Once again, oPxrcy's REAL time - 02:44.060, mine - 02:43.099 . But the funniest thing is that if you remove the buggy start of oPxrcy (because I didn't use an early start in my 2:42 run) - his REAL time will be 2:45+ !!! While my real time will be still 02:43.099

THAT'S what I mean by "Cheating Advantage". This oPxrcy guy with mediocre driving technique, even with an early start bug finishes a race 1 second slower than me. Without an early start, on an equal footing, oPxrcy is 2 SECONDS slower than me

So how does this much weaker driver (oPxrcy) set a “world record” in this mission (Into the Country) ?! 30 FPS rush to the rescue, magically turning weak 2:44 into 2:41 !!!

In this situation, I personally see 2 ways out:

1. Make a separate category AT LEAST for missions where the final result is IGT (not Real Time) for the PlayStation version of GTASA (and similar versions with 30 FPS)
2. Prohibit the use of PlayStation version of GTASA (and other versions with 30 FPS) in missions where the final result is IN-GAME TIME (not Real Time)

Because so far runners using the PlayStation version of GTASA, have an Unfair Cheating Advantage over players using the PC version. I hope the individual level moderators will read this post and solve the problem of the Cheating Advantage of PlayStation version of GTASA (and other versions with 30 FPS)

Can you not call it a cheating advantage? He's clearly playing on the optimal platform. It's not cheating. You have a point that it could be fixed (not by excluding an entire platform, that's stupid, just use real time), but don't call it cheating because it isn't.

With all due respect, when a racer who is actually slower than me for a whole second, due to a malfunctioning in-game time SUDDENLY turns out to be "faster" than me; when REAL time 2:44 is determined by the game as 2:41 (!!) - I have every right to call this situation a Cheating Advantage

I don’t call oPxrcy a cheater (especially malicious cheater)

I only say that PlayStation version of GTASA (and other versions with 30 FPS) gives an unfair advantage due to broken IGT (especially for the high title of "optimal platform")

Being a better driver ain't no unfair advantage. (c)

Also yeah, we can clearly see in the rules that this IL uses In-Game Time, not RTA. Why would you bother then? Don't call a person a cheater just because he uses another platform. For example, some duping tricks cannot be done on PS2, should PS2 players scream about unfair advantage given to PC players?

btw it's just a fucking IL lol

Tbf real time is always gonna be the most accurate timing method, but that would mean having to retime all the hundreds of runs.

You choose to play on PC version - which runs at 25 fps. That's a choice.

oPxrcy chooses to run on console - which runs at 30 fps.

Besides that: "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (...) was released in October 2004 for PlayStation 2, and in June 2005 for both Microsoft Windows and Xbox." - Source: Wikipedia

PS2 version is the ORIGINAL version.

I think you are an amazing IL runner / racer Tier4Jean but you're being a fool calling people who play on different versions cheaters.

PC has 3 seperate MAIN versions. 1, 2 and 3 (Steam). There is even a difference between version 1.0 and 1.01.

Android / Windows Store versions are different to PC and console versions as well.

If you want to get a better race time, race on console. If you want to play on PC, accept the consequences of that decision.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

Thanks for the “amazing runner”, Booskop, I appreciate that. Also thanks for the information about different versions of GTASA (even though I knew this before)

But unfortunately it seems that "you're being a fool", because you don’t even understand what I wrote a few posts above:

Tier4Jean:

I don’t call oPxrcy a cheater (especially malicious cheater)<<<

AGAIN, I DID NOT CALL oPxrcy A CHEATER (learn to read carefully, please). Although I had every right to call him "ch-word", but I don’t want to. Because I see that oPxrcy showed a good / very good skill in some other IL runs, I see that he tried to show a good result, he spent time and effort

But at the same time, I can’t keep silent about the fact that his “world record” on Into the Country IL - IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WORLD RECORD !!!

Once again, guys, before answering, have you read it properly, what I wrote? :

Tier4Jean:

If the dry figures are not clear enough for you, then just simultaneously run my 2:42 run and oPxrcy 2:41 run on one screen. Even a little earlier than the 2nd minute in-game time you will see that due to a much better driving technique, I am already ahead of oPxrcy (even though an early start gives him more than a second of advantage !!). Also already a little earlier than the 2nd minute IGT, you will see how oPxrcy's race timer begins to lag behind mine<<<

oPxrcy's run: https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/run/ylkr412z

My run: https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/run/y89e0gxm

PLEASE LAUNCH BOTH OF THESE RUNS SIMULTANEOUSLY ON ONE SCREEN, and you will see that oPxrcy is actually SLOWER THAN ME FOR A WHOLE SECOND

DOES NOT MATTER that the console version is original. In PS2 version, in-game time DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY

If in REAL time, guy A runs a hundred meters in 12 seconds, and guy B in 13. But guy B starts his stopwatch 2 seconds later and announces that he "ran in 11 seconds" - so you will SERIOUSLY consider that guy B is faster?!

This is exactly the situation - I'm a guy A, oPxrcy is a guy B, a broken stopwatch is IGT in the PS2 version of GTASA

Booskop:

If you want to get a better race time, race on console<<<

I am terribly sorry, but this is NOT "a better race time", this is a broken malfunctioning bullsh*t time

Anyway, thank you all for the answers, it was interesting to know the players' opinion about situation with the in-game time working incorrectly on PS2 (and other versions with 30 FPS). Peace

yep I've seen enough here

The PC version is the odd one in this situation, not the console versions.

But doesn't oPxrcy have a rolling start? idk if that makes any difference but still.

I say n-words on my stream and I'm still less racist then EBen. That's great.

Masak0vske LMAO

@masak0vske typical ЕБЕНЬ

if you can't play with silentpatch because of the 30 fps cap then why can you play the the steam version that caps at 26 i know you can barely tell a difference but still

Because the Steam version is an original & unmodified version of the game lol

You can use ANY game version. PS2, Xbox, Android, Windows Store, Steam, PC version 1.0, 1.01, 2.0.

On top of that, for any PC version, there is a list of permitted and prohibited mods for the game. Almost all mods, including silentpatch, are banned.

Why? Because an arbitrary jury decided on it, either with or without votes.