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  mint4conditionmint4condition

Crucial had the 100% WR

link :

why was it removed ?

 
  hoxihoxi

He removed it himself

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  Patrick_Patrick_
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https://discord.com/channels/139535251235012609/271678111748194304/742475084970721372
You probably need to be part of the GTA Speedrunning """server""". invitation

E: This works terribly on mobile. The summary is that he does not want his run on a leaderboard where he disagrees with the rules. He wants the Windows Store version runs separated for the rest but his request was not handled much.

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  BooskopBooskop

So...
ResetSPEEDRUNNING deleted his runs, and against his will, the times were re-added to the leaderboards (using his old username), but other runners get to delete WR's and they stay removed?

I.m.o. mods should either remove reset's times or re-add every other WR removed by a runner if the goal is to keep the leaderboards "complete"/"correct" or w/e you wanna call it.

Thoughts?

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  BackmadeJayBackmadeJay
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to add on to the post above. in the rules we even say that video proof is needed yet we go against this because WR times are needed and the runner and the mod didn't see eye to eye? just always bothered me but this is far from the topic at hand with this thread. the answer was given by hoxi and patrick.

 
  Kamiks0320Kamiks0320

The mods have seen the world record recording as they watched live/the vod when reset got the world record, otherwise it'd not be verified lol

 
  BackmadeJayBackmadeJay

not saying they haven't. the run is not posted on here because reset didn't want it here so it shouldn't be. also in the rules it says the run has to have video proof and it's not here. given the sites rules plus our own we go against those rules. i was there when reset got WR for any% (no ajs) so i know the run is real. next time read my comment.

 
  Kamiks0320Kamiks0320

So you're saying world record time shouldn't be there because the video link is somewhere else? You're making leaderboard more inaccurate.

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  BackmadeJayBackmadeJay

This will be my last comment on this cause you’re literally running in circles. The rules state on this site that runs shouldn’t be posted by a person who does not wish to be apart of this site. Reset said he doesn’t want his WR runs on this site due to how he feels, therefore the site rules goes into affect. With the rules set by “us” we state that the run needs video proof. The video isn’t on here therefore the proof isn’t here, unless you look for it on your own on YouTube or discord or wherever else it’s at. On the posting of resets run that out of respect of the runner the video isn’t posted here. But yet we conflict with the rules due to “us” keeping an “accurate” count of the boards which is funny cause this is a damn hobby this isn’t something for the history books to teach about in school or anything alike. If a person doesn’t want to be apart of this site any longer you don’t have the right to force them to be by posting their name or time or video in whatever means you think fit. It’s not inaccurate count of this game. Those who want to take part in this is their right not anyone else’s regardless of how you feel about it and the same is true the other way around. If reset wants his run on here he knows what to do he has done it many times he is a big boy. So yes those times do need to come down and when he is ready or wanting to post them we will go from there until then they don’t belong.

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  DerpethDerpeth

Imagine caring about about speedrun.com "rules".

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  Kamiks0320Kamiks0320

The SR.com rules are stupid as hell, what is the point of a speedrunning leaderboard if the top time cannot be found there AT ALL? If you make a speedrun which is legit and share the time publicly, expect it to be put on a public speedrunning leaderboard. Otherwise there is no point in wasting your time on an inaccurate leaderboard and the whole "hobby" thing is pure waste of time.

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  BackmadeJayBackmadeJay
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Alright Kamiks let me ask you this. You have a few WRs and you’re a great runner! However have you ever been paid by SR.com or any other speedrun Association? Other than the money you make streaming or video revenue on YT have you ever gotten a reward from anyone? If you answered no to any of those than hate to break it to you but it’s a hobby. And this site and any other site that operates like this one is just a place where people share the same hobby with and make rules that everyone agrees to and move on from there. Yes speedrunning as a whole is a waste of time but we do it because we enjoy it, I think that is the definition of a hobby. However I think we both understand each other’s stand point here and there’s no point in keeping this up. If you want to keep up this conversation you can DM me on discord or twitch. Just understand that me and others don’t share the same opinion as you and that’s okay! Crucial, and Reset and any other runner who wishes not to be apart of a speed runner board has their right to not allow it to be posted but this isn’t my fight.

Also just know that I do agree with you that the top time should be up there! But only by that same person willing to be up there. And if you ever decided to take your runs down and didn’t want them back up there I would say the same thing for you as I am now. I support Crucial’s standpoint and removing his run out of protest, the effectiveness is up in the air. As I said this thread has gotten way off topic and I really need to stop.

Have a good day!

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  TheodorosTheodoros
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Out of curiosity, since when does SR. com have to be accurate to the point that can violate copyrights ? Is it written somewhere or is it just a personal aspiration for this site ? Unless this site has a legal permission to do so.

As for the accuracy, people can find the WR if they ask in the community, if they search on YouTube and other platforms, etc. As you may have seen this site is not the center of the world and it shouldn’t be considered as such. I would mind if someone listed my name to a website without me wanting to. Although, there should be ways to keep it relatively accurate and respect runners too. It’s up to leaderboard mods

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  dhadha

what are the differences on that version

 
  PowdinetPowdinet

Can we go back to google docs yet

 
  RPandaRPanda

Lol why is this argument even happening ? What would people say if Usain Bolt came up and said that he wants to remove all the videos of all the world records he has just cause he felt like that . That's not how things work . The WR is not only his , it's the community's . And for this reason it should be on the leaderboards . The leaderboards don't exist only to document and rank the times of different runners , it is also for fostering rivalry and henceforth increasing the quality and quantity of the runs . I don't want to see a WR on youtube or as a Twitch VOD , I want to see it here too , isn't that my right too as a remember of the community ? Thoughts ?

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  BackmadeJayBackmadeJay
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Dha the difference in the remastered version of SA is something’s aren’t quite the same as SA when it first released. For example in driving school burn a lap only has 3 laps and not 5 laps, 8 track has 6 laps and not 12. So for ILs you will have to have the remastered vision of the game to beat those ILs and of course there might be other things that is in the remastered that I don’t know about that can be different from the regular SA. So Crucial is waiting the remastered to be moved. So this way there is a good separation of the two games. So for example and this is just my thought, any% would be the main tab as a sub tab we could have either “regular” and “remastered” or “no ajs” and “ajs”. I’m not sure how this would work for ILs but that is why he wanted to talk about it but a mod hasn’t been very responsive to him so he took his runs down as a protest to be heard. Some people are calling him a cry baby about it and others see his point just like any other issue we bring up.

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  TheodorosTheodoros
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I agree on how important it is to be accurate but I disagree with the comparison between athletics and speedrunning. This website is not official because speedrunning is not officially recognized as a thing. It’s only official to the community of speedrunning —> No one is in fact committed to post their runs here, and runs are also video proofs which indeed belong to their owners. There are ways to conserve this accuracy following speedrun.com rules (keeping timer but not the name etc).

Back to the initial topic, Crucial’s request for segregating leaderboards for the WS version resonates many SA speedrunners (if not most) and I’m sure there will be a resolution to that direction in the end. Afaik mods are open for discourse on that topic. Peace 🦍

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