Ontario, CanadaThe site appears to be bugged and isn't letting me add more consoles.
The admin team has reached a decision regarding the use of turbo controllers. At this time, speedruns that make use of turbo functions will have their own leaderboard.
This decision comes mostly from an agreement that the game is simply too new to know for certain if any undiscovered run-breaking tech exists that will depend on turbo, such as (for example) manips that are guaranteed with turbo but unviable with manual mashing. To play it safe, we're separating the two at the moment, to give the game a chance to mature to a point where we can definitively rule one way or the other. We settled on this way forward as we feel that it would be more conducive to either an eventual merger, or continuing a split, as opposed to combining them now and trying to sort it all out later if turbo-only tech is found in the future.
This was by no means a unanimous decision, and it came after much thoughtful discussion. The admin room (much like the community at large) is full of diverse opinions on just about everything under the sun. As such, we're open to revisiting this decision at a later date, and we are committed to monitoring trends like turbo vs non turbo popularity, and developments and discoveries in speedrun tech like RNG manips, so that we can do exactly that.
As such, we encourage all members of the community to contribute to speedrun research and development, so that we'll have plenty to monitor and consider to make an informed decision with by the time we revisit this decision!
Thanks for your co-operation everyone. Get those (turbo or non-turbo) submissions in!
Phrasing on that rule could use some improvement. "Copy" and "reupload" do not mean the same thing. There is nothing anyone can reasonably do about archivists personally downloading (a.k.a. copying) vods from youtube, that isn't even a form of copyright infringement. Redistribution on the other hand, without permission, is where it'd be problematic, especially in situations where the original runner is unavailable (or worst case scenario, not even alive anymore).
All of the videos have already been downloaded with the intent of archival by other people I'm working with on this effort, so copies will exist even when videos become force-privated. I don't know yet exactly how requesting a mirror of a vod will work yet becuase there may be copyright things to consider in re-hosting, but I can't really speak to that since it's outside of my wheelhouse.
Many of you may have seen this already, but I'm posting it here too because of the time-sensitive nature.
Some games with very large leaderboards are prompting moderators to review over 500 runs, and that most likely is just not going to happen for such a huge volume.
I am part of a group that has been working on archiving Youtube videos which will be affected by this change, and we have scraped speedrun.com's API, as well as the leaderboard front-ends for any category with more than 10,000 submissions, as well as the front-ends for all resource and guides sections, for any Youtube links, which we then verified privacy status and publish date for each video against Youtube's API.
A complete (to the best of my knowledge) list of runs, guides, and resources with affected videos can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR_U0zJrt7D23_vkCIfiHoZDEy2zh_kaARY1QHqFBlwofYtfM3h45xNy7Ca6itwd8_54lAKfVZQVZqc/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true (note that this list excludes rejected vods)
If SRC wants to do anything with this list for moderator notifications, please feel free. Otherwise, moderators can use this to narrow down affected runs and tutorials if they like.
Edit: All of these videos have been completely archived by a team working to preserve as many affected YouTube videos as possible, including rejected runs not included in my google doc above. Restoration efforts will therefore be possible for runs that are not opted-out in time.
I understand that since I don't run this game yet and was only appointed a few days ago, take my opinions with a grain of salt at least until I have a time on the leaderboard ;)
Category Separation
Chiming to say that I agree with Chuck on all counts. I haven't dived enough into the run myself yet to understand whether desert skip should be allowed in Any% NMG yet or not, but once that info is available to me and my PS2 arrives, i'll have a better feel for how to think about it :)
Turbo
I think turbo should be considered to be allowed for at least some categories. I'll explain my reasons why:
This is mostly coming from my history speedrunning SMRPG, a game that allows turbo in every category (except Low Level, because memes). The admins & top runners had this discussion a few years ago, and most agreed to allow it. The reasoning was threefold:
- it's better for runners ergonomically to prevent RSIs. And that run is only 3 hours long, not 14. I think it would be unfortunate for a speedrun of a game to be in direct conflict with the runner's health.
- The SNES has officially licensed turbo controllers (Super Joy Card). The PS2 also has these (turbo Hori), so the "unofficial hardware" can of worms is not opened.
- turbo in SMRPG does not provide any gameplay advantage beyond automatic text advancing. This is where I'm not totally sure if my reasoning translates to Xenogears. In SMRPG there are no things like turbo-required RNG manips, and this is because of the unique case of the SNES where the console framerate is 60.0988, which turbo controllers cannot perfectly match, therefore turbo-reliant RNG manips are impossible. I am unsure if the PS2 is similar, because I think if RNG manips were found that are only possible to complete with a turbo controller, that probably wouldn't be a good thing for the game. Curious what others think.
A Challenger Approaches - Segmented Runs
I don't really have any settled opinions on this yet, but thought I'd bring it up and hope people would be open-minded about a discussion. I had the idea in a conversation with Chuck to suggest allowing segmented runs for 100%, solely because the run is so long and I, once again, think it would be unfortunate for a speedrun of a game to be in direct conflict with the runner's health. I think that a line to potentially draw is to allow segmented runs for any speedrun that requires less than 7 hours of sleep per 24 hours, so therefore, any speedrun where world record is 17 hours or greater, therefore Any% NMG and 100%, but NOT Any%.
What do you all think?
Because this game needs routers
CC2 and 3 need routing work!
Routing discussion aplenty since the 100% boards are looking pretty bare.
I don't really wanna be a mod of more boards than SMRPG but i also want my runs verified ;_;
Crystal Caves 1's only moderator has been inactive due to irl stuff, i reached out to him on twitter a month ago but never got a reply
Dates: May 26-28 2017 Location: http://www.sheratontorontoairport.com/ Golden Delicious Room
This event will be integrated into http://animenorth.ca/. This unfortunately means that you will already need a pass to Anime North to attend as the venue is not open to the general public. Information about passes can be found on the Anime North website.
Schedule coming.
asked in the srcom discord and was suggested to post a thread about this, so here goes
an in-person marathon series in Toronto is approaching its 9th iteration, currently we organize it in the Canadian speedrunning discord, however every time we run this marathon a lot of Canadians come out of the woodwork saying they had no idea it was a thing. I figured a forum might help with that. who can I ask about this?
thanks!
actual feedback (sorry 4 English only):
I have pretty much nothing but good things to say about this event, you guys did an excellent job showcasing Canadian talent with a variety of game genres, platforms, etc. While there were some tech problems here and there I can't think of a single speedrun marathon that hasn't had that issue and you took care of things gracefully. Your team is excellent.
What I ESPECIALLY liked was that you made runners feel appreciated. My SMRPG run went really bad in the second half. Elm's redesign run was not up to his standards either and we were both disappointed in ourselves. But all of you made me feel like that did not matter at all and that you were just having a good time and appreciative of the runner, there was like no tension or awkwardness or selection remorse when we messed something up. There was so much good morale at this event and that is a really important thing to have. QSR guys you are awesome and I was honoured to be a part of your marathon. This really stood out to me.
I love the charity you guys chose. Excellent work.
I guess my only real suggestion would be like, I wonder if the LAN ETS staff could have announced our stuff more. Like on the voice system "ALTTP is starting, head over to the speedrun area to watch" or whatever. It kinda felt like we were forgotten about in the rest of the hype even though there were runs that other attendees really wanted to see. I also hear you guys are working on getting a donation tracker like GDQ has so that would be an awesome improvement.
Really happy you guys raised so much and put on such a great marathon. I only wish I could have stayed longer. Thank you again.
get a smrpg runner who doesn't suck next time
