Hippo and I have been discussing things a lot. We've both been quite busy, so apologies to the runners who have been submitting without concrete rules to abide by. Luckily, this is just the beginning of your ventures, so you'll be PB'ing a bunch after we've solidified things. Here's a bit of an update as to what we've been discussing.

Full Game Rules Any% and Any% No Major Glitches will remain as the two Full Game categories, as they are both quite different after recent discoveries for the new Any% skips/route. (Skip videos will be provided in a separate Forum post soon.)

Major Glitches include Mobile Skip in Chapter 2 (acquiring the Vinyl early without picking up toys for the cradle mobile), Rakan Skip (skipping the Rakan chase sections by floating straight to the Psych Ward), and Ward Skip (clipping into the electrical room to turn on the power to the elevator early.)

Non Major Glitches (Exploits) Tutorial message skips using the beer can, and interacting with things through walls/doors. (These are VERY easy to do, and still provide a unique run without the need for a long, purely Glitchless category.)

Individual Level Categories Chapter 1 timer will now start upon skipping the opening cutscene, and end when you've picked up Lucy's Jaw from the sink. Chapter 2's timer will also be starting upon skipping the opening cutscene. Timer ends when picking up the Hand Mirror. Chapter 3's timer will also be starting upon skipping the opening cutscene. Timer ends when picking up the Eye.

PC Load Remover We have someone currently working on a load remover for the game. Upon success of it's creation, it will be implemented to help everyone remain on a level playing field, without having to worry about PC specs as much. Console runs will unfortunately not have this option, and will remain RTA. (In which an SSD might be the best option.)

End Again, apologies for not being able to get this update out sooner. It's really cool to see more people interested in running this game, as Hippo and I were really the only ones who put in a lot of work when both Early Access chapters became available to play. Thanks for your patience, and keep up the good work!

Yeah, reading the rules is probably where you should start before asking questions like this one in the form of a forum post. In fact, you should just ask these questions in the discord to avoid cluttering up stuff here.

It's been brought to my attention that FPS changes the run more than we may have thought. Higher framerates allow Point Man to move faster. (I can't believe this wasn't tested earlier)

Considering some people are not able to achieve 300+ FPS, it would be unfair to allow uncapped framerate any longer. I've decided that 144 FPS will be the cap, and that 3rd party software to allow you to show your framerate, and toggle between 144 and 60 with a hotkey, will be allowed from now on to accommodate the new rule.

As of today (9/27/20), all runs must show FPS on screen, and must go no higher than 144.

Thank you for understanding, and good luck on your runs!

Twitch messed up a TON of game categories and box arts recently. I'm pretty sure Resident Evil 3 not showing up is a result of this. I suggest streaming under Resident Evil 3: Nemesis for now until it's resolved.

If anyone is having trouble with this setup, I do suggest trying different versions of JoyToKey, making sure that the Define Layout in Steam is saving correctly (Steam may need updating or restarting sometimes), and be sure to test the game in Windowed, Borderless, and Fullscreen, as I've had some people have trouble keeping JoyToKey recognized in some of these display options. I do see that Nyx has made an update in the forums claiming that some people have turned to a certain configuration in Steam that I tried to wave people away from. Without confirmation from an Input Display (which I recommend everyone remapping uses), there's no way to tell if you're simply holding a button, as that's what this certain configuration can do. It's very easy to tell just by looking at the stair-skating, as there will be no human error. Human error that DOES occur when using my method, because you still have to perform the stair-skate. Again, if you want to prove legitimacy, using an input display is your best bet. There are many available online and for download for you to use.

Hey @setw88. @rozukk was also wondering if PC runs would allow stability patches. In the case of this game, I believe that stability patches and 60fps should be allowed, as literally anybody who's planning on running the PC version would most likely have to use these patches anyways. I've stated that if someone performs a run on PC with these patches, I will gladly create a sub-category for the PC version under the Director's Cut category. Feel free to post the run here whenever you or someone else has performed one.

Although, I must mention that these are only allowed for stabilization of the game. Nothing else should be modified, outside of patching for crashes and FPS. It's a slippery slope, and if someone ends up having a clear advantage in anything not related to preventing crashes and stabilizing the game, it will be a mess. So I ask that anyone who is interested in this, please play by the rules.

We didn't refuse to do anything. We looked into it, and we couldn't definitively prove macros were being used. Taking the run down based on these videos just wasn't enough, even if some of these discards are suspicious. If these runs truly are cheated, we would obviously like them to be taken off the leaderboard. Does anybody have more info or more detailed videos that we can use? Also, Satowa doesn't need to delete anything @otasac, and you two should probably just sort that out between one another privately.

Edit as of 11/8/20

It's been a little over a week since the full release, and Hippo and I have been fiddling around with the game, trying to find optimal routes/strats, skips, and attempting to make a fair set of rules for Full Game and Individual Chapter runs. Will update in a separate post when we've achieved this. Thank you for everyone who has been interested in running/submitting. We appreciate the interest and patience.

Original Post: Please disregard now that the full game is out.

After almost two years of Visage's first Chapter releasing, the speedrunning scene has been very inactive, with only a handful of people doing runs. Some of them are on YouTube and aren't even submitted here. With that said, my initial Discord forum post here has been deleted, simply due to the fact that the channel itself was deleted. I'd be open to remaking it if the game picks up activity from the full release.

Which leads me to my next topic. The full release. When that does happen sometime this year (hopefully), I am grandfathering in Lucy's Chapter and Chapter 1 & 2 as Misc. categories, and renaming the Glitchless category to No Major Glitches, as there are some exploits that some wouldn't consider glitches in the run. Any% and Any% NMG will be available to everyone, and the rules will probably stay the same, unless something really crazy is found from the two new chapters being added. I will also be open to making a 100% category for collectibles, minus any Easter Egg ones that may not be applicable.

Anyways, that's about all I have to post here. Just wanted to get this out there because I find the game is quite popular, yet lacks activity in speedrunning. Hoping to see that change with the full release.

Chiming in here with my thoughts.

As stated above by Yossy, adding categories to a leaderboard because "someone did a run and is requesting it", is weak and, quite frankly, a very annoying thing that happens more often than you think on sr.com. In this case, I don't really think Knife Only Inferno shouldn't be added. In fact, WE think it SHOULD be added! I think Yossy is simply in the same boat as I am when it comes to category requests. Hell, the same boat A LOT of moderators are in with category requests. Just because it isn't a category here, doesn't mean you can't do the run and upload it for the world to see.

For the most part, we've been pretty relaxed about adding Knife Only categories, and even Handgun Only categories, as long as activity is shown beyond one person doing one run. In this case, we're just going to go ahead and add it, based on the fact that it's the only viable sub category for Knife Only that has yet to be added. It's the last insane challenge this game has to offer.

Thanks for your input Arlan, as it's all pretty well said. That kind of thought process is much more appreciated than what was displayed beforehand, and I appreciate the levelheaded response. Though, I will say, RE4 is a terrible comparison. That game has like 11 versions with 3 categories, 4 difficulties for each of those versions/categories, and two sub scenario categories. Absolute UNIT of a game.

Anyways, I think that about wraps things up. Good luck with Inferno!

With the PC release out, I've gone ahead and separated Console and PC into different categories. Very Hard is now available, but I have yet to add it to the board. We have no idea how it plays, or how tough it is compared to the Hard run, so I'm holding off until someone routes it and presents a run. If anyone wants to present a Very Hard run, please contact me here or in the Discord and I will go ahead and add it to the PC categories.

It's possible that the console version is still faster, due to the v1.00 Air Walk, but I would be very interested in seeing how fast PC version can get, or if any new version specific exploits are found. I encourage anyone who will be taking this run up now that it's available on PC, to post their discoveries or updated strategies here in the forums, or in the Discord.

Meant to make this post a week ago but have been very busy. Anyways, that's about all I have to say. Keep on keepin' on.

A category extension? No, that seems pretty unnecessary for a game with such low activity. Although, I wouldn't be against making a separate sub category for Director's Cut. One without the Fix (PS3) and one with the fix (PC). I probably won't go through with this until more runners speak up in this thread though. Waiting on quite a few of them and it could take a while.

I've gone ahead and made some changes.

The rules have been updated, and I've made them very transparent and easy to understand.

Origins is Defaulted on the board, with Classic Xbox Version being the other sub category. I've split the Director's Cut into it's own category, as it's got some different content that may be touched upon in the future to make an even larger difference between the versions.

The Friendly Premonition Discord sounds like a good idea, but not entirely needed without some more community input. I'll wait for them to speak up about the changes.

You misunderstood. A clean video without cuts means you're showing yourself quitting the app, and not cutting it out. This also means you should locally record, and not have a choppy Twitch vod compilation where your connection cuts. Stuff like that.

Hello fellow Deadly Premonition runners. This game has had a lot more activity since the release of Origins on Switch, and it occurred to me that this board needs an update. Deadly Premonition 2 just released, so I assume some of you will try that one out, but I'd like to clear some stuff up here as well.

Rules - The rules didn't matter all that much with there being only two runners on the board for years, but now the game has some competition, and I think that calls for some new standards to the rules. Things such as requiring game audio, a clean video without cuts (especially quitting the application to prevent crashing), agreeing on the official time to start and stop the timer (as I see differing times for some people), and including the main menu before the start, as well as final results screen at the end.

Versions - It seems like Origins is the fastest version at the moment, due to framerate, loading times, and general performance of the game. Lazerlong made a good call on making each version it's own category, as they all perform very differently. What I'd like to do is make Origins the Main Category displayed up front, and also encourage people to try to optimize it with the Quint's Car Route. Buying Quint's Car before heading to the Art Gallery allows for much faster car travel when the game doesn't force you into a police vehicle. You can also fast travel to the Junkyard to get to the Graveyard faster during Harry's mission. I'll be trying this out myself on the Director's Cut and Origins versions in the future.

Discord - Is there a Discord? The Discord link in the tab seems to be expired or invalid. If there isn't a Discord, making one for DP1+2 Speedruns would probably be a good idea.

Feel free to share your thoughts. Happy to help reform things a bit here, and encourage some more activity.

Funny how you constantly complain about Knife Only so much, even outside of a Knife Only thread. Seeing as it's an arbitrary speedrun category, having rules to make it not a completely ass category was agreed upon between knife only runners. Most of them like it, and we already have quite a few people giving it a shot. Some of that wasn't in this forum, before the category was added, but some of it was after the addition to the board. Funny how you say there's "nothing to discuss", but there clearly is when most people agree on the category rules, and you're just over here complaining about it for half of your forum posts as of late. If you're such a purist, where's YOUR 'true knife only' run?

Seeing as this is just complaining it hasn't been added, rather than actually showing people have done runs, it's obviously not going to be taken seriously. Two runs have been done... TWO. Prove that there are at least a handful of runners who are interested in handgun only outside of saying "yeah, add it!" because this leaderboard doesn't need something like Handgun Only if there are only going to be a couple of people on the board between two versions and multiple difficulties. You should be running Handgun Only if you believe in it so much, instead of complaining it's not on the board.

Before Kniferun simply saying "Seems this category is on kybosh?" there wasn't a single post here in 25 days... almost an entire month of absolutely no interest in anyone actually DOING a run of Handgun Only and posting it here. You can't just speak for an entire community and leaderboard because you "estimated the fastest possible time". If the community actually shows some interest and work towards the category, instead of just wanting it to be added, THEN we'll work on adding it.

The only run posted in this entire thread is Speedidols 1:20 console time from over a month ago. Saying "it has people who want to run it" and that "it has a successful run completed in a competitive time" is just silly. Clearly people want to run it, but do they only want to run it when a board has been made for it? Where are the other completed Handgun Only runs? What about other difficulties? What about an actual formed ruleset? How in the world is Speedidols time a "competitive time" when literally nobody else has posted their run here?

Knife Only runners came forth with their research, their videos, their completed runs, and made their place on the leaderboard. Handgun Only runners have yet to show the same dedication. We're waiting on you, you're not waiting on us.

When the category rules were being made, this is not what most people who were actually running Knife Only/Low% wanted. The base knife is complete and utter shit, and Final Nemmy without the pistol is also utter shit.

It's been brought to my attention that runners are finding tricks and animation skips in the game recently that are illegitimate. Upon attempting the door animation skip on the Sewer Door after crawling through the vent, 7rayD discovered that it's only possible with the Trainer open. Despite him having everything the Trainer offers turned off, it ONLY works when it's open. It seems the Trainer may allow other various animations to be altered in the game, or skipped entirely. Considering this is directly altering how the game works, it's not up for discussion whatsoever.

Therefore, everyone who uses the Trainer for practice must turn off the Trainer when they're doing attempts. If your run attempts are done with the Trainer open, you're invalidating your run by default. This rule is being implemented immediately, and I suggest everyone adjusts to this. Thanks to 7RayD for bringing this to my attention.

I mean, it's whatever the community would like it to be called. The rules were set up in a way where I thought Low% was a pretty good way of describing it. It's a bit of an arbitrary thing really, considering it isn't purely Knife Only. Though, it makes sense not to have this game's category be purely knife, since it would just suck. They nerfed the knife really hard in this game. It's nice the registry isn't tied to FPS, but it's complete ass, and I don't blame the community for wanting the Hot Dogger. If you don't use the pistol on Final Nemesis, you have yourself one of the most boring boss fights in the series, despite how tense it can be. So I understand the rules that people seemed to be in favor of, but it's not like the category name is set in stone if people doing those runs don't like the name. I just thought Low% made sense at the time.