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thread: Gato Roboto
California, USASuperboss3 years ago

Thanks man, glad you like it! Hopefully it'll get on a leaderboard of some kind but it was fun regardless.

thread: Gato Roboto
California, USASuperboss3 years ago

Hey friends,

I made a speedrun that I think is fun, I hope you guys like it and beat my time. Idk if it's a main category necessarily but I'm fine with it being miscellaneous or whatever. I do no major skips as defined by you guys in addition to my rules in my description, let me know what you think if you want to.

Cheers,

Superboss

P.S. Here it is lol:

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

Hi guys,

I think "Kill Ganon" should be a category. Here's a run I found, it's pretty impressive. If you can come up with a better name that's fine, and ideally it would be on the main leader board, but anything is fine as long as the category is recognized. Thank you for reading as I await the reply.

Yours,

Superboss

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzqDXDMLGo

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

Sorry for the delay @edzan , I just got home from seeing Paul Mcartney at Dodger Stadium which was cool. Anyway, I have some thoughts on glitches if you'd like to consider them.

The definition of glitch is "a sudden, usually temporary malfunction or irregularity of equipment." In addition, the definition of malfunction is "failure to function normally or satisfactorily." So, if something causes Samus to move in a way that isn't normal, it's a glitch.

A large indicator that a certain mechanic is irregular, and therefore a glitch, is if it allows for sequence breaking, as I'm pretty sure by the nature of Metroid Prime that sequence breaking is unintended. Not all sequence breaking is caused by glitches, and it can be allowed in a glitchless category as long as it is done with regular movement and can clearly be defined as normal for happening even if the cause is an oversight.

In addition, in my opinion at least, the harder a mechanic is to do, the more likely it is to be unintended, and therefore a glitch. I am unfamiliar with the advanced mechanics in this game, but since I can safely say my run is normal, if an advanced mechanic unlocks the ability to cause a route to differ from mine, it is probably a glitch.

Finally, because we are not Retro employees, and we dont have the means of contacting them to ask, the only thing we can really go off of is likelihood, and that is largely influenced by difficulty, otherwise known as how far one has to go out of ones way from normal play to perform the trick whether an advanced mechanic or skip. If it is more likely to be a glitch, it probably is and vice versa.

It sounds like the current glitchless rules more accurately describes a no major glitches category, which is all good and dandy but yeah. As far as popularity of the category is concerned, only time will tell if that happens, and until then as long as the runs are made known that's all that matters to me. Finally, I'm glad you appreciate my offer even if there are too many mods to add me to the mix.

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

Hello @edzan, it's nice to meet you and thank you for your thoughts.

I believe Glitchless is less arbitrary than the other categories in the extension area personally because in many games (though not all) glitchless is on the main leaderboard. I would be more than willing to moderate the runs in all Glitchless categories for free, especially with no major skips because I enjoy that category very much and would love to see it grow. As long as the glitches do not heavily benefit the run and arent purposeful the runs are fine, and I'd be more than willing to draw the line. I dont even know if my route is ideal, and it would be loads of fun collaborating with others to make the route better.

But I'm just spitballing here, thank you again for your time and if you're interested in platonic friendship let me know. I'm not looking for power, only to help a cause I feel could be fun. It'd be sad if my silly uneducated run were the best forever but keeping the meaningless throne is cool I guess haha.

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California, USASuperboss4 years ago

@Dyceron Thank you for writing back to me and letting me know why. I believe there are 2 reasons for this predicament.

I think one reason the activity is so low is because it is in category extension rather than the main leader board. I didn't even know the category extension board was a thing until you told me, and because of this, I thought my bad run was a world record. I have seen others interested in this category who are also unable to find the runs, so on behalf of all of us, I humbly make the suggestion of possibly moving it to raise activity, and once more runs come in, then the category could possibly become split. It's like it's over here because activity is low, and activity is low because it's over here, so it's a self perpetuating cycle that needs to be broken to be fixed.

The second reason is because even now because I havent put tags yet, if you search "Metroid Prime Glitchless Speedrun" on youtube, none of the runs appear. This causes people to believe they dont exist since many people dont find this board and dont find the runs. I will put tags once I finish writing this, and I hope the others make their runs easier to find as well.

But that's just what I think, and again, thank you for giving me the light of day. Although I am plenty welcome to them, I dont need replies anymore now that I know why at least, and I hope things keep going great for ya.

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

Upon further reflection, I realize I have not clearly defined what a Major Skip is, and I have come up with a definition.

The Definition of a Major Skip is an unintended trick that cuts out the need to traverse multiple rooms. To clarify, this means that while earlier I said skipping the spider ball maze was a major skip, it is now defined as a minor skip, and is therefore allowed. Perhaps with/without the spider ball maze could be separate categories? Either way, I will delete it from the list in my previous post upon posting this for clarity.

Another thing I will state for the rules is the items must be collected in the intended order, which is:

Missiles Morph Ball Morph Ball Bomb/Charge Beam Vaira Suit Boost Ball Space Jump Wave Beam Super Missile Thermal Visor Spider Ball Ice Beam Gravity Suit Power Bomb (not an expansion) Grapple Beam Plasma Beam X-Ray Visor* Phazon Suit

*X-Ray Visor may be gotten without Grapple Beam or Plasma Beam, but I don't see why that would help.

I hope this brings my category into being. While minor skips are highly discouraged, if the category's birth hinges on it, I'm flexible. If this is not why the category is not made, I would like to know why and promise not to argue.

Thank you,

Superboss

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction!

I feel like the first place run there should be Bug Limit because of the major skips, how do you feel about that? I made a post in the category suggestion thing clarifying my stance if you're interested but yeah.

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

I propose the current Glitchless World Record be put in a Bug Limit category, as there are major unintended skips. If this is not seen as good, I would instead like Glitchless No Major Skips to become a category. I wish I could watch the current second place glitchless run to see if it has skips, but there is no video so I cannot. Anyway, here is my run and I hope you like it if you havent seen it yet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWxDHSRrVo

Rules:

Everything in Glitchless, along with No Major Skips, such as:

  1. Getting Lifegiver without Spider, Gravity, or Wave Beam
  2. Getting Ice Beam without Spider
  3. Getting the Power Bomb expansion to skip Gravity, Underwater Adventure, and the beginning of Phazon Mines entirely.
  4. No jumping off the crates and shooting a missile over the wall to get Artifact of Elder early.

That's all I currently know of, but I hope this portrays the idea I'm getting across. Basically, I want everything to be done the way it was meant to be done, none of this jumping on a pixel sticking out of the wall crazy stuff. Getting Nature without Space Jump is allowed because I'm pretty sure that's intended in the game. Please tell me of other skips so I can include them in the list because I'm sure I didn't do any lol.

All runs require a video, and must be played with the GameCube disc. I think timing should start on picking Normal Game and end when Metroid Prime starts blowing up, but traditional rules of when control of Samus is gained and when the final cutscene begins is fine too. RTA controls records but In Game is cool too. If the 2 conflict, both will be recognized as record in each category. Splits are not required because that's ridiculous in my opinion.

California, USASuperboss4 years ago

Hello everyone,

If there are no Glitchless runs with no Major Skips, then I believe I have a world record. I would like the category to come into existence because it's a fun run and should get more recognition.

Here's the run: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWxDHSRrVo

When I say no Major Skips, I'm referring to refraining from getting the artifact in Phendrana before Plasma Beam, committing to getting Gravity Suit and going through the underwater area rather than getting the Power Bomb early, and getting Boost Ball before Space Jump. I hope you enjoy the run, there are silly mistakes but I'm happy for now. I'm not super familiar with glitches, but I dont do the super side jump on purpose, and I never go out of bounds.

Are there glitchless runs from the past that simply arent recognized as so? Where may I view them?

Thank you for reading this and I'll look forward to what people say.

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