California, USADSDA is for source port Doom. Steam version, you're literally here. But, on the category extension leaderboard. There are tabs below the game's name that show you main leaderboards, levels, news, etc.
Also, if you are launching the game from within Steam, you'll get a pop-up asking which version of the game you want to play.
For these leaderboards you are at, we run the Unity version. Which is the very first option. Everything else on that list there is no leaderboard for, as they are just dosbox ports that nobody cares about.
No. As I said above, the online feature is what kept us from bothering with a co-op board. There aren't enough runners for co-op to justify making a board. Plus, the cat ext. board for this game is reserved for the add-ons within the game (excluding Plutonia/TNT) and for the community-made wad we have.
The reason it was never added was because of the online feature of it being complete trash. Otherwise we would probably have another board separately for it.
If ever Unity's online improves, I'm up for it.
Anything Outside of the DLC you are running.
This means you are not allowed to use powers from say the Bring the Crunch DLC.
Powers found within the DLC you are running are fine.
Yes, you can have a higher might level, as long as it doesn't utilize anything outside of the base game/Casa Bonita DLC.
@Polite_Twitter_User "I think it's ostensibly shitty to delete a bunch of runs from history because they don't follow the rules of another site."
What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with the rules on either site. It has to do with one existing before the other, the utilization of demos, and organization. This has been said multiple times.
"They just want to do less work even though they WILLINGLY signed up for it and that's why runs here took 30 years to verify."
Are you just oblivious to the fact that a new mod was added, and has been active this whole time? Nobody is wanting to do less work. If that were the case why would I even bother with the board? Took me quite a bit of time to do everything, so if I wanted to do less work I would not have bothered with this at all.
"And to justify it they'll redirect to a prehistoric website who I'm pretty sure everyone who submitted runs here doesn't wanna use, because it's "confusing" and whatnot to have 2 sites with rankings."
This is where the care dwindles. It's not our fault YOU don't want to use the site. Yeah, it's old but it works just fine and has been around since before SRC existed. In the beginning runs should have been integrated over, but weren't. Oh well big whoop, nothing we can do about that now unfortunately, but to sit here and cry "i DoNt WaNNa!" isn't helping anything. It just tells me you have little to no understanding of why things are happening the way they are.
"I honestly don't get and probably never will what's confusing about having 2 that both house rankings."
I've explained it multiple times. Go back and read.
"If anything it's more confusing this way because for other games like Doom the sr.com houses everything."
This line alone tells me you understand absolutely none of this, and are just here to speak against us anytime someone has something to say that slightly lines up with your false idea of our commitment to this volunteer job. Doom has had a leaderboard LONG BEFORE this site existed, so it doesn't need to adhere to the same rules as every other game. Even if it was on here first, it still doesn't and I'll never understand why people seem to think every game has to follow the same rules as each other.
It's time to lock this thread. The work has been done. Please refer to DSDA to submit your IL's. E1-E3/E1-E4 will be hosted here.
Chances are it's a false positive, but better to ask in the Discord just in case, as I'm unsure. Though if you would rather not deal with it, the Unity port is another valid option and is easier to set up than this version, since it's just launch and go.
Yes, but is not intended to be a speedrun category.
As long as it's a vanilla source port, and NOT PRBoom, you are good. Prboom was banned in Feb. and is NOT allowed.
Zdoom has never been allowed for Doom speedruns unless the WAD requires it, which for this game it does not so therefore not allowed.
@Legoskiner "This just isn't true because I've never recorded demos and have submitted multiple single episode runs here."
You are misinterpreting what I mean by "require" and that's my fault for not being clear. What I mean is anything that can have a demo recorded for that run, is to be submitted on DSDA, as it has been for years, and not here. Again, this site was wrongly set up to allow people to submit their demos or runs that utilize demos here, and that has been fixed.
"I never said it makes you less experienced I just said it because it seems like you're mainly interested in Unity other than the Vanilla which shows because of how many runs you have submitted."
You would be right, I prefer Unity over source for various reasons, but you questioning my ability to moderate this leaderboard based on how many runs I have on it is nonsense because someone's runs are NOT a reflection of their knowledge of a game.
"Second of all there's sites that host Quake demos and Goldeneye videos which are considered to be "the main site" and they still have single level and episode runs on SRC, and I really don't see why DOOM should be any different."
Simply because we are not them. We don't have to follow any other communities on how they run their leaderboards, whether here or on another site. If they wanna do all that, that's on them. Doesn't mean we HAVE to do the same. We have our reasons for doing this as stated numerous times.
"Thirdly yes you as Moderators don't have to consult anyone but if you do not care about the community who speedruns the game then why even become a moderator in the first place."
Going to make it clear that I never said I don't care. This wasn't something that could be solved via a community based decision. This is something that shouldn't have been done in the first place and is being corrected. If people care about their runs that much they will submit to DSDA.
"Especially because mods here barely submit runs as I've pointed out with you and Unity. You people need to realize that it's the community that matters and not a few individuals that are "moderators"."
Again, the amount of runs we submit to this board is NOT a reflection of our experience, and you seem to be very stuck on that. We understand the community matters, but that doesn't mean we have to bring the community in on every single decision we make, whether large or small. Moderators exist to make these decisions for a reason. If we left ALL the rule making and how the leaderboards are governed to the general community, It would be an absolute disaster. It's one thing to make categories and such together as a community for a new game, it's another to allow a massive general community, a good amount of which with 0 experience on how to do any of this, to dictate how things are done about every little thing from rules to board structure.
"And I seriously don't understand what harm it would do if the leaderboards remain"
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Creates confusion as to who has what placement vs. what is on DSDA. DSDA kept the records first, but not for E1-Ex. This site works well for those, but considering DSDA exists and has so way before SRC, runs that can utilize demos shouldn't be hosted here, but this wasn't something that was realized at the start unfortunately so it's been fixed to be more organized. Plus, it would be impossible enforce people to submit their runs to both sites for the sake of record keeping. Most wouldn't bother.
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Download links are frowned upon on this site. While not a written rule afaik, not only have I seen other members have runs rejected for download links, they are untrustworthy especially with the influx of trolls as of the last few years. I'm aware some communities allow it, but again we are not them and don't have to do what they do.
"It's pretty easy to see why people are outraged, the mod team who barely verifies any runs comes to wipe the whole leaderboard, redirects us to a 3rd party website that they say its "the main website for hosting Doom spedruns" (which is something that never happened on speedrun.com) and then when asked why not consult the community you give a response such as "We don't have to consult anyone"."
No, actually. The outrage is mostly ridiculous because the only loss here is people have to submit to DSDA, and as I said previously if people care enough about their runs, they will submit them there to have a proper placement. It's not that much work to do so, and it puts them in the proper placements they should be in.
If any of the outrage has to do with lack of people verifying, then that I completely understand and can guarantee you that is solved.
"like I said previously there are people here who would gladly verify all runs no matter if they're a single level, a single episode, or a full 3 episodes speedruns."
You say this as if we don't want to verify runs. I won't speak for the rest, but I'm here and have been pretty active with verifying across all the games I moderate. I'd be glad to bring on another moderator if this game ever picks up, but not for verifying IL's and such. Nuking this board has nothing to do with what we want or don't want to verify. It was for organization purposes and nothing more.
@Legoskiner "Why delete single episode runs?"
Same as the others, they require demos, which can be submitted to DSDA. That's been said multiple times, I'm not sure why it's still a question.
"you barely had any runs submitted on here, you had only 3 comparing that to your 400 runs of Unity, my question is why did you even become a mod here when you never submit anything only to purge the entire leaderboards"
First off, it doesn't matter how many runs I have compared to Unity. Just because it's Unity doesn't make me any less experienced with Doom, I've been playing Doom my whole life, across many different ports other than Unity. I don't have to submit to these boards to know anything about them, or how to manage their leaderboard.
Demos can be submitted to DSDA which has been the main Doom speedrunning site for many years. Why there's so much outrage over this board is beyond me, It's never even been the main site for Doom unless it's Unity or a console port/homebrew port. It can host runs that can't utilize demos such as full game runs. That and console Doom is about all this site is useful for.
As far as the community input, we as mods do not have to consult anyone about a special circumstance such as this. These leaderboards should have never been here in the first place, this was something ALL mods agreed on for a long time, just nothing was done for a while. Sorry if this sounds mean, but it is what it is.
Lastly, as far as migrating the runs, we didn't do that for various reasons that Andrea covered. There were a ton of runs on here. It's not worth it for any of us to sit here for hours/days on end moving runs over to DSDA and not be paid for it. Would be nice if we had a way to sync DSDA with this site, but we don't.
If you need help with moderation I'll be glad to help you out, just let me know. I'm a series mod for Rocket Power and mod for Team Rocket Rescue. A Discord for Rocket Power speedrunning also exists, although it's very dead and only has me and like 2 other people. if anyone wants to join it, feel free! - https://discord.gg/Rss7NhARXj
(if a discord already exists, let me know. I'm unaware of one.)
No, because;
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it's frowned upon to edit an iWAD.
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Opens the door for people asking for 1000+ other WAD's
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The 2 WAD's we have that aren't officially on the Unity port, one of which just being a 11 map remake of the other one, are WAD's made by members of the Console Doom Community, which makes it a special case.
I've brought this one up in the past once before to other moderators. It was unanimously rejected.
EDIT: Meant 11 maps. Not 7.
@Clouder It's been an on and off discussion amongst random moderators for quite some time. It wasn't until Tezur0's departure I was made series mod, and have been doing a full clean up of every leaderboard within the Classic Doom series, while Meta is in charge of modern Doom (2016, Eternal, etc)
I can understand the community wanting to have some input, but this is one of those cases where these boards shouldn't have even been built when a site hosts them already. From a moderation perspective, it makes sense to nuke them. Does not take long to learn DSDA and Doomworld. Unity is very easy to get into, with a community separate from this ports that will gladly help you get into it.
