All the Tofu characters play very differently though. Some have a massive advantage over the default Tofu.

Yeah. It's definitely on Livesplit's end for sure then. I'm not sure what else to suggest at this point, considering your setup.

Can you pastebin the file that's showed next to the browse button? I'm just curious what the beta branch is doing when it comes to loading splitter components.

I think Dara's suggestion should work for you, though.

How is it broken in the test build? Does it just not split/start?

You can add Livesplit in as a capture "window". Even if it's in the background and not on the display itself, you should be able to have OBS capture it and overlay it.

I actually brought this up with the other mods today. I think a minute or two is okay (things happen) but no longer than that. This was a problem in 7, where a runner submitted a time where they paused for literally two hours to go to the store. >_>

I get you, bear. Best case scenario, consider this a temporary phase. In the mean time, I heavily encourage 60 FPS runners to keep on trucking and submit their runs and just have fun with the game. The filter system allows us to really easily create different categories in the future if the community decides on it.

We're just not making any major changes right now. Going to wait it out a few weeks and evaluate then (there's things to consider too, such as the amount of runners in both frame rates, not just routing differences).

Look man, I already said we're going to evaluate things based on the popularity of 60 FPS and 120 FPS, and how different things are going to be. You keep popping in and making arguments. I'm not really sure what we can do to please you other than separate the boards again right now, which we're not doing -- not at this time.

I wasn't saying your opinion meant nothing, it just comes across like you're ignoring whats been said previously so you can essentially post the same argument. My point in bringing up your run status is -- you haven't even submitted a run yet. Why are you acting like you've hit a wall where you cannot personally improve anymore without 120 and that the leaderboards are locked in and that it's impossible for you to just compare to 60 FPS?

Submit a run first and compare to people in your frame rate in the mean time, rather than complain on the forums. We're trying to transition and figure out what's best here. It's been difficult, and it's impossible to please everyone. No matter what we've done, people have shitposted (not to imply you, bearlol, are personally shitposting by expressing your opinion) and been angry (mostly on the discord/twitch channels).

We really are trying to be fair. Look at almost every other PC speedrun game, or even console game, where having a better system (even other Biohazard games have this advantage, without separation) is just the norm. We're trying to be fair and understanding and prevent that - but we also don't want to lock out the majority who can run at 120 FPS (if that ends up being the case) either. Let the dust settle and just enjoy the game in the mean time, ya know?

I suggest people submit runs and try to beat their PBs -- show 60 FPS PC has value -- we'll cross this bridge if it comes to it later.

Hey bear, where's your run at? You seem to be very vocal on this as if it's personally affecting your runs, but I don't see you even participating in this game.

We literally tried separating them into two different categories. The backlash was extreme. I have several 120 FPS runs pending in the queue alone right now. It's DAY ONE of submissions.

Chill out and wait awhile so we can evaluate. Maybe go do a run rather than speak for a streamer or whatever you're doing.

Can we stop acting like all of this is set in stone and forever? We've stated several times we want to see how the routing ends up ultimately being. If they're drastic, we're going to separate things. We're doing a filter for now so that it's easy to just move filtered runs into another category, if need be. Then whichever FPS is the most popular becomes the "default" on the leaderboards. So if 120 has more runs, then 120 will be the default view, and vice versa. IF we decided to go that way -- and there's no promise yet. So don't take this post as a promise we're going to separate things. It's not.

I'm seeing barely any 60 FPS runs being submitted -- this tells me it's a vocal minority here. Unless submissions start showing otherwise. I

There's no winning here. We did it one way, people whined. We did it another, people whined.

At this point, I'm not even open to feedback on this anymore. We're just going in circles. We can't please everyone. No matter what we've done, someone is coming around being passive aggressive and complaining.

We are going to re-evaluate things after the boards become more populated and we see how the routes change over time. If that means splitting things up, we will. If it doesn't end up being that drastic, we won't. We'll see. Just keep tight until we have more runs.

I feel like the moderation team has been trying to find a middle ground that makes as many people as happy as possible. It's not possible to please everyone, we get that, but we are trying to at least find that middle ground.

Most speedrun games the moderators would have the attitude of "so what?" on the subject of "pay to win!!". Ask Xerian how much he paid to be able to speedrun OoT.

We're trying to prevent that, but we also are trying to prevent the boards from being a mess. Have a little patience and just run the game.

It's day 1 of accepting submissions. Play the game. Submit runs. Once you actually get to the point where you can't possibly improve without moving to 120 FPS, then be concerned. People are jumping the gun and worrying about details that aren't completely relevant yet. Just run the game first instead of using this as a preemptive crutch and/or needless worry.

PC users can also rebind and double bind.

Nah, don't take that as a thing, that was from me testing some configurations earlier.

Sidenote: If you got a notification saying I took WR, my apologies. I was testing some configurations and I didn't change the "Player 1" field to be "Test" -- sorry if you got a notification.

I've not even routed this game yet, personally. Been observing and working on the splitter.

What about allowing 120 and making people cap it?

Why does a filter not fix this? Apply the filter for your framerate, and WR even "changes" and only shows people in your framerate. It's then also obvious to even casual people scoping out the site when they see "wow 120 FPS must play faster than 60"?

It's the best of both worlds. Everyone is "grouped together" while you're also able to sort it based on other people in your framerate.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, a filter still isn't leveling the playing field when you can literally just sort runs by your framerate? @lolbear

Okay, so I get why people want the 60 FPS thing.

But I want to throw out my thoughts publicly on this:

• Swap OoB to extended for NG+ at the very least. This is probably going to be very popular as a category and it'd be silly to have it hidden away. Look at RE7's leaderboards for NG and NG+. NG+ is hands down more active than NG. OOB is cute and fun, but it seems more fitting for an extended category rather than a core vanilla category, such as NG+, that's designed by the game developers to be a speedrun option.

• Personally I would rather see the FPS be a filter rather than a different category all together. I've had mixed thoughts on this. Back and fourth. I see both sides of this. A filter is the best of both worlds. Want to compete with people at your framerate you can support? Apply the filter. Bam. Done. WR has "changed' and you're only seeing runs in your framerate. Less categories to sort through for the mods, and a filter is easy to apply as a viewer of the site.

Otherwise, if no filters are applied, the leaderboards may very well be the top runners having 120 FPS, and just below that there's a cutoff point that becomes 60 FPS. Making it obvious to visitors that there's a clear difference between the way the game runs. All runs are still there on the front page of the boards this way. Nobody is being "hidden" unless specifically done so by the site viewer.

• I feel like there's things moderators of this series have shutdown for separate categories in the past that were more significant than a knife giving an 8 second edge. When comparing to RE7, for example, Cero D saves 30 SECONDS just from censored content. It's not a different category. It's a filter. And the world didn't end when it was setup that way.

These are my PERSONAL thoughts. I don't think I should weigh in anymore than anyone else in this community, but I do hope other members of the community consider these points. I'll stand behind the mods on the call they make, even if it's not what I exactly agree with, however.

With that said, here's an example of what I would personally make the leaderboards look like:

OoB and other meme stuff would go into extensions. Keep the main boards clean and easy. Filters are there as a function for a reason.

Just a heads up that you might have a hard time with the IGT, if it works similar to how 7's works. Would be happy to collaborate with you on memory values (since I am going to be programming an autosplitter) if you want to work together on some stuff!

I think the reason was the difference between Normal and Easy are rather negligible, overall.

Try now.

I don't think it disrespects the other runs, to be honest. I think there's enough categories. Maybe a filter. But we didn't create a new category when 120 FPS was discovered - which saved quite a bit of time off runs.