RomaniaSteam version is New Engine, but most HL2 runners use the ghostingmod client (which runs on new engine as well) for runs :D
@hoxi I for one, gave my personal thoughts. Calling my desires childish, manipulative and missinformed and all of that is just stupid coming from you. And also, I'm not the first person who said that he wants a glitchless run on main boards, it's Andy who requested it, and we just simply agree with his idea. FYI, I do check the GTA Speedrunning Discord, and from what I have seen in the "gta3_remastered" and "gta3_remastered-help", the only people who actually give a fuck about this game and are active in those text channels, are the people from the community itself, such as leshenka, Mili, you, Powdinet and others who are actually sharing strats and talk about the best strategies for the game. I may have seen only one video from Kamiks, related to a "Crook Instapass", but that's about it.
And no, I'm not being an ass. I'm just giving my thoughts. Be cool or not cool about it, that's up to you.
@EBen You may have a point about the glitchless argument you've just made. We defintely should revisit this thread once we find more glitches in these games. And yea, I guess I did flame some other runner. My bad on that one. But just so you know, I'm speedrunning this game when I can nowadays, cuz I don't have free time. That's why I'm saying that I've grinded my ass off for that 1:31, cuz I've gone through some hard times these days, and it was hard for me to run the game.
We could, however, reconsider, and just create the "Any% NMG" category, like Mau5 proposed, over "Glitchless", and leave the "Glitchless" category out of the way, for a while.
@Kamiks0320 From what I've just read, coming from you, it's honestly just straight up bullshit that I can't agree with, because the points you're making just don't really connect properly.
Mentioning the Mirror's Edge speedrunning community matters, because, as a whole, speedrunning is a hobby, and there's multiple games in this damn world that you can speedrun yourself. A Speedrunning community or any other community of some sort, has to make decisions, and need to be taken into proper consideration. Ok, I get it, you don't give a fuck about the Mirror's Edge community, but you don't also care about the other boards for 3D Trilogy DE? Excuse me? You, who have been modding the OG GTA III Leaderboards for years, and who is also modding the boards for III:DE right now? Shame on you!
If a community wants a certain category, which in this case, it's either "Glitchless" or "Any% NMG", but mostly "Glitchless", to be on the MAIN BOARDS THEMSELVES, and not on other leaderboards, in this case "Meme leaderboards" or whatever, then why do the mods of the main boards themselves don't want to see that certain category, on the main leaderboards? As a Super/Game mod for these boards, it's their responsibility to create that category, listen to the community, and it's also up to THEM if they want to run it or not. It's not just you who decides if Glitchless is worth being a present category on the boards, it's the community's decision too. Andy here, doesn't want to do glitches, because he doesn't like them, and he'd be more comfortable and happy running Glitchless. It's also worth mentioning that I would be happy running III:DE Glitchless as well, if R*/GSG are gonna bother to patch the weapon sprinting glitch or the infinite rpg ammo exploit on the PC platform. I just don't understand your way of thinking by this point.
"Elitism"? What are we, philosophers now?! I don't agree with qoznyyy's opinion, because, first of all, despite him being in the GTA Speedrunning Community, he's not running this game as of right now, and probably doesn't want to, and would also prefer the Original 2001 game over this remaster, because it has so many game breaking glitches compared to DE, AND he also comes in this thread, gives a link out of nowhere, with meme leaderboards (or, "Category Extensions" in this case) for the GTA Franchise, which include multiple categories such as "Glitchless", "Any% Dupeless" etc. PSA, "Glitchless" is NOT considered a "meme run" by the general public, and should ABSOLUTELY NOT be under any circumstance, placed in Category Extensions or on meme leaderboards for a game franchise.
My point is, if you don't run that particular game which in this particular case is III:DE, and you just decide to participate in a thread for a game that you don't even run yourself, then why participate in this thread in the first place? To want some attention, confuse people and make them angry? Fuck no, dude! That's absolutely unacceptable, in any regard.
And yes, I do agree with n0jn0j, because despite him not running GTA games, he gave his OVERALL personal thoughts on NMG/Glitchless not being a category a main game's boards, and therefore, a good point about this. As we all know very well by this point, "Glitchless" has its pros and cons such as: It may be boring for some people to watch, but as long as the runner himself enjoys running Glitchless, then it's not a problem. And a pro argument of this, is that you can show so much of the game content that you are being provided, to the general public, and some people are interested in that sort of thing, and they also take it in consideration.
And don't start with the absolute bullshit assumption of me "not checking game statistics", because I do check them and take them in consideration. And from what I have seen, the statistics for the VC Remastered boards have runs for both 10 year Anniversary and The Definitive Edition game itself, whereas, the Gta 3 Remastered boards, only have runs that have been done on THE 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY EDITION of the game. In short, more of the categories on VC Remastered have actually been ran, compared to the Gta 3 Remastered categories.
Also from what I can tell, the statistics for the "VC Remastered" and "SA Remastered", look in a much better state, than the stats for "Grand Theft Auto III: Remastered". I, for one, don't give a fucking damn about the mobile ports of these games cuz they are a complete mess, especially the so called "San Andreas Remastered", also firstly known as "Gta SA 10 Year Anniversary", which came out 8 years ago, and is still a disaster of a port from a game that came out 17 years ago!
@stereotypical First of all, I'm not showing superiority in front of others, especially to just one member from this community. I'm expressing my personal thoughts, and from the looks of it, a few people actually agree with me on the points that I make. So, I dunno why you say that I am condescending.
Second of all, sure, others have responsibilites in life, like our mods here. My guy, do you want to know something funny that you are probably not aware of? On 26th November, a few runs for OG Gta 3 have been verified by Kamiks himself, and now it's December 1st, and some runs for III DE are still in fucking pending, since November 25th. I'm sure that you can always take an hour or 2 from your free time schedule to verify some runs, or one run at least per day, but nah, let's just verify them after 3 weeks! Great idea man! And don't get me wrong, I'm patient most of the time, but seeing mods for VC:DE and SA:DE showing more dedication to those games than the mods for III:DE actually makes me sad. I am saying this because I actually run III:DE and would love to optimize it myself, hell, even make a proper route for it and get WR one day.
Honestly @qoznyyy, if SA can have NMG as a category on the leaderboards, then why can't III DE have it as well? It's still a GTA game, just like SA. Besides, I haven't seen you do ANY runs of III DE so far, or any other GTA game (Oh yea, excuse me, I saw your src profile right now with only 2 runs of VCS and those runs are based on acts, but they are not special), and some people such as me, Lordmau5, Fedzor and Andy have grinded our asses to get some decent times for Any%, especially me, without learning too many strats from others, and we would probably like to run Glitchless or No Major Glitches one day (Glitchless consisting of obviously not doing any glitches at all, and NMG where you are allowed to do the weapon swap glitch, but YOU ARE NOT allowed to dupe rampages with Vigilante and eventually get 30K RPG ammo).
So, may I ask you right now...why do you give much of a fuck about this thread, if you are not even running the game?! Also, what Andy said earlier with "who cares for the role because you clearly don't", doesn't necessarily refer to the fact that Kamiks or the other mod for this game doesn't want to make a separate category called "Glitchless" or "Any% NMG" for this game, but he is also referring to the fact that we ALL are aware of the fact that we couldn't submit runs of the Definitive Edition games, only after 25th November. Guess what, GTA III DE has a bunch of runs in pending as of right now, including my 1:32 Any% (which has been submitted since 26th November and still has not been verified to this day), and no runs are on the boards now. But hey, here's the catchy part: VC:DE and SA:DE have a few runs on the leaderboards, as of right now. And speaking of the same phrase said by Andy, what he is mostly referring to, is the fact that the mods of this game have been so lazy to even call this game "Grand Theft Auto III: Remastered", and just put "Definitive" as a sub category next to the "10 Year Anniversary" category for Any%. I know that these both 10 Y.A. and Gta 3 DE are considered "remasters" by the general public, but the games are 100% not the same, speedrun-wise. I would have rather much preferred to see "Grand Theft Auto III The Definitive Edition" having it's own boards, with different people as mods who actually care about this game, and just take care of the boards themselves. Period.
Kamiks, with all due and respect, it honestly doesn't matter if a glitchless run looks boring af. Some glitchless runs are fun to watch & run as well, so, I dunno why you are so defensive right there. If some people don't wanna do the glitches in Any%, like Andy here, then why be so against this so called "Glitchless" category? Yikes. Take Mirror's Edge 1 as an example. The leaderboards for that game on SRC actually have a Glitchless category, on THE GAME LEARDERBOARD itself, not in CATEGORY EXTENSIONS, meme leaderboards or whatever else.
I may be a new runner to this game as well, with already a 1:31 in almost 2 fucking weeks of running it, in Any%, but to be honest, I feel like your argument there....against a Glitchless category is just....weird and wrong. And who the heck said that a run without glitches is impossible? You can do it whenever you feel like it.
This video will show you how to downgrade this fecking game, after weeks of struggling, and finally having a proper way of downgrading it! Enjoy! :D
Can honestly agree with both of ya :D I'd like to actually try Glitchless one day. Especially if the weapon swap sprinting glitch gets patched on PC lol
We already knew of this glitch, and no, it's not a valid strat.
