Hey all,

Having now seen a bit of the new update, I'm thinking that there needs to be a bit of an overhaul - mostly regarding floor 11.

My thinking here is that floor 11 should now be the new "normal" run category, as it is to my knowledge accessible fairly easily from a new savefile ; beating regular death at floor 10 is now kinda like beating regular Mom in Isaac's Depths, which is to say not enough for a "full" run.

Unless there's a good reason to stay as is (and i'm open to discussing it in this thread), the "Normal Run Glitchless" category should now need to go to floor 11, not 10 as was previously the case. I know there's a run pending for that (I'm sorry Wayne), and for now i'm gonna keep the floor 10 run until we can agree on it changing and just not accept further runs.

Cheers everyone and happy new year.

Hello everyone,

I've been thinking about the new cinder system, and I feel like 99% of runs are gonna fall into two major categories, being cinder 0 and 16. Given that fact, it appears we should probably drop the "cinder" column and just make another category alltogether.

This is gonna split the boards even more, but we could consider merging some of the old minor patches (0.1.8b-0.1.8c comes to mind) for which no major new strat or balance buffs were present.

I'm curious as to what everyone thinks about this proposition (and especially those considering running cinder 16).

My best wishes to y'all for 2023.

Seriously. If you get good early RNG, you can skip so many fight rooms with the added events, blacksmiths & Co. I just had an 11:13 (one second off PB) with this and I feel like it has great potential