Why not add milliseconds to <3:15 time's? in another games milliseconds used, in tetris no?

The problem with adding milliseconds is that we would have to go through all of the already submitted runs and add the milliseconds, which would involve a lot of frame counting, which isn't easy to do. Furthermore, some of the runs may no longer be available as they might have been done a long time ago, so in those cases, frame counting would not be possible, and therefore, retiming the runs to milliseconds would be near impossible down to the millisecond.

Another problem is that for frame counting this game, it only does it to thirds of a second (.334, .667 in terms of milliseconds), so it would be very difficult to get it down to the exact millisecond with the tools that we currently have available to use.

I wouldn't mind doing this, but I don't think it is necessary until we get a lot more times above a certain threshold, which I do not foresee happening for a while.

Other moderators are free to rebut anything I have said, but I am sure that they wouldn't want to add a lot of work to their workload already, as a bunch of them already moderate a lot of other leaderboards.

Its problem to adding milliseconds to top 10 places. Nice, In C'n'D 1 - sub10 runs with milliseconds, in tetris top 10 places, its hard Rofl. In Tetris sub3:15 only 5 places.

One thing I forgot to mention is that everyone that is a part of this community would have to agree to this change, and I am not sure if everyone would agree to this change, which then goes back into my argument for not doing this because of the lack of activity. I just don't see enough new runs that are at a low enough time for this to matter yet.

This is definitely something that could be brought up in the future, when there are more runs at a 3:20 or faster pace, but I just don't think there are enough runs to do this at this point in time.

I wish SRC had a way to use ms for breaking ties but not open it up for all submissions. Because if they did, I would at least say specify the ms for the tied WR that exists right now. You could use it just for those two runs but then would have to state do not include ms for submissions (or remove them).

Why can't milliseconds be added to current results right away? If then there will be more of them, you will say that there are too many of them and no one will want to do this, because it takes a long time. After all, I only ask Sub 3:15 to add milliseconds. Sry google translate.

In the past few years, more mods have been added because the que of verifying runs was adding up and it could take a few weeks for new runs to get verified. Moderation is a completely voluntary and unpaid position. We are doing what we can to both timely and accurately verify runs.

Also, adding ms to times will make each submission inherently inaccurate since some runners may use their live splits times and others may not use ms at all. In turn, we would have to download each vod to frame count it (even then it would not be 100% accurate since Youtube caps the frame rate, any vods from there may be missing a few frames). This would also mean rejecting runs that have frame rate issues.

At any rate, it appears this is only an issue due to having a tied WR. Currently neither Jospeh or Jonus have expressed any issue to have their runs re-timed. As far as creating an arbitrary threshold to re-time competitive runs (similar to SMB) I am not 100% against it, but am not convinced it is necessary yet. SMB has over 900 runs compared to 123 Tetris runs for the 100 line category.

Here's what I posted in the other thread about this:

The other mods can chime in if they want, but until recently there wasn’t a big need for such precise timing. While the board has grown (a good thing!) I’m not sure if millisecond timing is necessary yet.

As someone who verifies a lot of the runs; including occasionally having to frame count to verify times without a time or inadvertent early/late splits, I see several issues with this.

1. Like justinman said, you’d have to retime runs which is big commitment since you would need to frame count the vods to verify the precise timing. Even if you said only count those times under a threshold, it would still require determining an arbitrary threshold to have those runs frame counted.

2. All future runs would need to be frame counted as well. This would drastically slow down the verification process. Currently, the mods can verify runs fairly quickly. However, if we have to download VODs, watch, then frame count each run, chances are verification will be much slower. I am certainly not opposed to this in theory, but would want the majority of the community at least to be supportive of this change since it would affect everyone that wants to submit new runs.

3. There is also an issue with VOD availability. Some people link their twitch highlights and others upload to YouTube. Just the process of having to find the VODs and then download them can add work. Additionally, depending on the platform, the VODs will have different FPS. While the NES rate is 60.09, many people can only capture at either 30 or 60 FPS which results in different frame counts. I also believe that YouTube caps its uploads at either 30 or 60 FPS (may be wrong?) Either way this would require another step of equalizing all the frame counts based on a set frame rate, which is not stipulated in the current rules.

Basically put, it would add too much work to the current moderators, three of which are not active at all in verifying runs, which would leave only two moderators to actually do the work that, in my honest opinion, would take at least 5-6 extremely active moderators to do.

It just isn't feasible at this point in time. I'm not saying we cannot do it at this point in the future, but it just isn't needed right at this point in time.

Also, for the tied WR in 100 lines at this point in time, we could easily just retime the runs and see if they are accurate. That's as much as we would need to do at this point in time. One of us moderators could reach out to both of them and ask if they would like to do this, but I have a feeling that they would both say that it isn't that big of a deal.

EDIT: Since I follow Jonas on Twitch, I'll just ask him when he's live if he'd like his tied WR retimed myself. Will update you on this when I hear back from him.

EDIT2: He just said basically what I said, which is it is no big deal, so that is that.