The SuperTux runs are both faster and harder, making the IL runs in lesser difficulties less interesting. They are mostly empty (except for 0.9.2- expert) but clutter the view.

Would it be possible to put them in a kind of misc tab ? Maybe with some reorganizing with subcategories ?

Expert% times are good for story mode GP routing due to slightly different strategies from supertux speed. Maybe only one level is different, but it would be good to discover.

Intermediate% is great for discovering minor tweaks to higher speed strategies, and sometimes even completely new skips. Easy% times are kinda useless but the same rationales could be applied to keeping it there.

After taking this post into consideration, I recently rearranged the IL list to put the more significant higher speeds first and listing in descending order instead of ascending, that makes more sense, an makes it much more readable since the higher speed lists are more fully populated.

Maybe it would be good to list the versions in tabs, with the most recent version as default? Not a misc tab but 3 tabs, one for each version. I hate the little scroll bar at the bottom of the IL list screen, I'm sure I'm not alone in that feeling lol. It would be easier to navigate to the older times if they were in tabs. Scrolling down and scrolling right is 2 things, clicking a button is one thing. I think tabs are a good idea.

It depends how you view ILs. Sure, expert IL have some relevance for full-run training (though the zippers do change the balance), and you could apply that reasoning for intermediate as training for intermediate% and novice as training for novice%. But if you view ILs as a competitive field, the non-supertux difficulties are second-tier filler. Someone interesting in full-game run training would certainly be able to go through a tab to get access to the results.

That said, grouping the results in tabs by version rather than by difficulty also makes sense. Not sure if there is a clean way to combine this... The ideal imho would be the SuperTux results on the front page of ILs, and then having it version by version in tabs, but that may be not doable with the current speedrun.com framework.

There is also the question of what to do with tracks who are dropped from one version to another. Should ILs only feature the official levels of a given version, or also include all official levels previously dropped since 0.8.1 ? There are already some times on dropped levels, but long-term this may create an ever-growing list of outdated levels.

Separate note : 0.9.0 and 0.9.1 are currently mixed in the ILs, but the kart were split in 3 types with a revision of kart characteristics between those 2 versions, so in theory this should make them separate...

I've found a way to get subcategories for ILs. However, moving time around from one setting to another is always risky, so it will take some time to do it properly.

EDIT : After some more testing, it is the best time of the first subcategory which is shown on the main IL leaderboard.

Here is what I have done : 1)Have a difficulty variable for all IL runs. 2)All 0.9.3 runs have been assigned to the correct difficulty variable. (Non 0.9.3 runs are currently all "SuperTux") 3)All 0.9.3 runs have been moved to a common "SuperTuxKart 0.9.3" category (I put "SuperTuxKart" because the column title needs some longunbreakableword to be large enough)

All IL runs for a version are displayed on the same leaderboard with difficulty mixed. If a player has runs on multiple difficulties, his PB for each difficulty is displayed in the leaderboard (they're set to not obsolete each other), but it will do weird things in your player profile list of ILs.

TODO : 1)Move 0.9.2- runs as appropriate, on the model of what I did for 0.9.3. Separating 0.9.0 runs from 0.9.1/0.9.2 runs would be useful. Once all the runs have been correctly moved, empty IL categories can be deleted. 2)Determine if it's better having reverse mode as subcategory (I've put it like that for the moment) or having it as a general category (upside : will be shown in the general IL timetable. Downside : less logical organization, will create clutter when there will be several versions with both normal and reverse ILs)

I've finished cleaning up the board. Now, there is only 0.9.3 ; 0.9.0 to 0.9.2 and 0.8.x in the ILs. Much much cleaner, and the columns aren't crammed onto each other anymore.

I've also rejected a bunch of old times which were imo legit (though some had add-on karts) but which didn't have a video. No video, no place in the leaderboard, period.

Tell me if there is anything wrong.

Btw, I also question the utility of having novice% & intermediate% for full-game runs. Don't really see the point of having a "low%" category. It's not as if it was difficult to get a low% (as it is in some games), it's just plain boring.

I'd have as categories (not names to be used, only the idea) : Any% (can skip challenges) ; All challenges (any level of completion will do) ; All challenges on max difficulty.

For 0.9.3, the fastest way of doing all challenges is to do all challenges on expert, which obsoletes the "all challenges on max difficulty" category

For the future 0.9.4, this distinction will make sense as for SuperTux% you'll have to redo some old challenges, making it take more time than just having all challenges. However, any% and all challenges at any level would then be equivalent...

Maybe we could have a "no GP skip" category, though I'm not sure if it really makes sense.

I noticed that there are still items in egg hunt mode, and it irked me that a lead dev want to keep them as a "playground for kids" (as if there wasn't battle/soccer/race with 0 AI to use items randomly...).

So I just added egg hunt mode to the IL leaderboard. I'd like to have some nice runs to show the next time the argument come up.

Having received no answer (only that like from UJ), I tried to change the categories for full-games (I only changed 0.9.3 atm) ; with "any%" and "all challenges", removing "novice%", "intermediate%" and "100%. That last category is not fully covered by all challenges, but until someone publish a run for it, it seems rather pointless. Especially as the fastest way to get the 5-laps achievements is to watch a replay of a 5 laps ghost on OMC (yes, it triggers the achievement), and as it's not covered by the timer mod to remove loading times.

I put a "difficulty" variable to store the info and still have expert/intermediate/novice runs differentiated in the leaderboard, however it is also added for any%...

So tell me how you prefer it : now, or before ?