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Super Mario 64 Forum  /  Optimized ROMS with framerate boosts, run verification

xZ1bYgtrTW18AixZ1bYgtrTW18Ai

United States

  xZ1bYgtrTW18AixZ1bYgtrTW18Ai
4 Feb 2020, 16:39

Hi. Not a SM64 runner but I was watching this video about optimization in Mario 64:

So if a high-level runner used a recompiled ROM on the Everdrive and then beat other runners by a few seconds as a result of frame gains in a handful of places, how would run verifiers detect it?

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Shadow64Shadow64

United Kingdom

  Shadow64Shadow64
4 Feb 2020, 16:59

This definitely wouldn’t be verified, as any modifications made to the game are banned

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xZ1bYgtrTW18AixZ1bYgtrTW18Ai

United States

  xZ1bYgtrTW18AixZ1bYgtrTW18Ai
4 Feb 2020, 17:16

Obviously it wouldn't be verified if it were known that the ROM was being used. The question is, how would the verifiers know?

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Shadow64Shadow64

United Kingdom

  Shadow64Shadow64
4 Feb 2020, 17:57

On n64 consoles u normally have to use lag reduction with the camera in DDD, u probably wouldn’t with the ROM, and this would be picked up on. While u don’t need to do this on VC and some variations of Emulators, there are most likely other hints as to whether there’s a rom or not. Also, if someone was to cheat on a game that ppl have spent hours a day grinding for years and take the record, that would make them a terrible person idec

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mrunsmruns

Mexico

  mrunsmruns
4 Feb 2020, 18:12

oof

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lostontheinternetlostontheinternet

Campania, Italy

  lostontheinternetlostontheinternet
4 Feb 2020, 18:35

what emulator doesn't give the game lag to the Bowser submarine?

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DrogieDrogie

(He/Him)

Switzerland

  DrogieDrogie
4 Feb 2020, 19:01

They would realize due to faster loading times, less lag, and most importantly, the rom being started from an everdrive and not from console power on. The run will in any case be suspicious, and the moderators have a trained eye for detecting that.

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PASRCPASRC

North Korea

  PASRCPASRC
4 Feb 2020, 19:09 (edited: 4 Feb 2020, 19:10)

You dont need an everdrive to start the optimized rom, making a reproduction cart isnt that hard anymore.

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xZ1bYgtrTW18AixZ1bYgtrTW18Ai

United States

  xZ1bYgtrTW18AixZ1bYgtrTW18Ai
4 Feb 2020, 20:13

Not only that, but the Everdrive can be configured to load the most recent ROM on power-on, or the video can be cut from black screen. Does the C optimization have faster loading times? That video mostly concentrated on the FPS increases, which wouldn't come across easily in VODs.

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