Now I've done it. VoS HG's only is done, but this is only partly possible. The ethan part is fine as long as you are allowed to use the knife cause there simply is not enough ammo in the game to beat e.g moreau. I only bought stuff from duke related to HG (ammo/upgrades). No blueprints or other things, and it was still doable. With the strong pistol at factory, it simply was not that much of a problem. Chris on the other hand is definitly impossible with HG only. I took my time, collected all HG ammo there was and tried to hit urias only on his weakspot, and only got him to about 50-55%. So you would need dbl the amount of ammo to even get close to kill him. So at least at VoS you must be allowed to use the laser on him at least 3 times to get him killed. My thoughts on the category itself: If it will be a runable category it should only be Casual OR Standard. As for the guns, there should only be allowed the ones using HG-ammo. No Magnum, cause when u can beat it at VoS without, u simply dont need it in the lower difficulty. HG upgrades also should be allowed since, why not xD As for explosives, i would say they can be allowed, but only the ones you find. Because i think a category called HG only where u try to blast miranda into oblivion with tons of bombs just doesnt sound right, besides its not even needed and the game is stuffed with more than enough anyways. But thats just my 2cent.

I didnt think chris' section would be possible handgun only in VoS. Its barely possible on standard.

Still dont see how using explosives to deal damage in handgun only makes sense. Especially if magnum isnt(technically a handgun) i dont use it but makes more sense.

Because of chris' section ive been running casual.

I use the two handguns you find. Knife on boxes which isnt needed if merchant and upgrades are an option and 2 pipe bombs. 1 on wall and 1 for red chimney skip. Should start using more pipe bombs on factory doors and moreau walls though. And try v61. figured m19s a better option.

If Casual and Standard can be done using only guns that use HG ammo, then that's the only weapons that should be used IMO, it kinda defeats the purpose of the category if things like explosives start getting added. Like I mentioned in a previous post, I think dont even think the laser targeting device should be used on Urias as Chris. I've tested Casual only using NG Handguns & no explosives or magnums, I used upgrades as I see no reason for them not to be allowed and it felt like a pretty legit way to run the category.

Fully agree with you. As long as nothing else is needed, no other weap should be allowed. As the name implies: HG only. One question though, did u use a knife on any enemy or boss? cause VoS needed to cause there was simply not enough ammo?

I was thinking The rules should be as simple as knife only rules except the only damage that can counts towards knife out failure is handgun.

Knife is whatever. Boxes doors ect is fine. But thats debatable. It could allow other difficulties to be done. And obviously the handgun is the quicker choice. So knife would be used secondary. would keep true to the rule of handgun damage being the only thing that breaks knifes out.

You should be able to craft/buy any thing as long as using it keeps you within the rules. Limiting those options when they are open makes no sense.

I never used the knife for anything on Casual although I agree that using it for boxes ect shouldnt be an issue. I do feel though that any difficulty that requires you to switch to the knife because there's not enough ammo just shouldn't be included, a HG Only run that transitions into knife only doesnt quite seem right to me. For me, the only remedy for including higher difficulties that aren't possible due to ammo shortage would be to permit infinite ammo for those difficulties.

A handgun only run will never turn into a knife only run in revillage. Especially if we keep it base knife.

Im down with it not being allowed, but the base knife is so weak(how weak is it?) noone will use it over handgun unless its strategic.