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  StevenMayteStevenMayte

"i.e people who don't run RE3"

Hold it right there, this argument is totally invalid and just outright stupid because whos to say the current inactive people won't return to the game in the future and still actually give a shit about the game and the leaderboard decisions?

"You don't listen or consult enough people"

It was never discussed before TWN was added to the boards in the first place, it was silently added in the hopes it would just be accepted without any form of backlash, spoiler alert, it wasn't. TWN AND JPN were split the same way TWN was originally added but with the addition of a forum post explaining why it was split.

"You can only submit to a secondary category that won't mean anything"

That's your opinion, and a very narrow minded one at that. Believe it or not though people also share that same opinion about TWN and see it as a category that doesn't mean anything. The Split of the 2 regions was also in part to people not wanting to "compete" with TWN since it already has an unfair advantage to JPN runners.

Since i share a different opinion to you that makes me a Dickhead though, right? After all that is what you said on stream. CarlSmile

 
  WareWare

Hold on I gotta finish making my popcorn

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  silentkastersilentkaster

>Hold it right there, this argument is totally invalid and just outright stupid because whos to say the current inactive people won't return to the game in the future and still actually give a shit about the game and the leaderboard decisions?

Wait, as someone who wants to play this game, I need to respond to this. I've actually been running practice runs on stream, I have splits, and plan to submit a run when I'm no longer last place.

Actually, this is incorrect, Steven. If I want to move to the UK someday, does that mean I get a say (and have my opinion be as equally valid as someone who lives in the UK) on what happens today in the UK? I used to live in Texas, here in the US, for example, but I don't now. I don't get to vote on Texas elections today because I "might move back there some day." If I want to run Streets of Rage 2 some day, or I'm thinking about it, does that mean my opinion should be weighted the same as someone who actively runs the game? I don't see the equivalency. It doesn't work like this on almost anything, and I think this is an argument that your intellect is far above.

>It was never discussed before TWN was added to the boards in the first place, it was silently added in the hopes it would just be accepted without any form of backlash, spoiler alert, it wasn't. TWN AND JPN were split the same way TWN was originally added but with the addition of a forum post explaining why it was split.

I understand that this was separated for Japanese runners and my opinion on it is fairly neutral. I see the point in both arguments. However, I would lean more towards Orchy's side for logistical purposes. For example, in the UAE or Cuba, either of these versions would be very difficult or impossible to obtain. So they may be stuck playing English, Spanish or some other version. When Dara talked about excluding these versions, I find this to be awful. But if we don't have separate categories for every version, then aren't we excluding people who don't have access to either of these versions, but may have access to a different version? There are many countries with strict piracy laws, even stricter than those in Japan. They may only have native versions of the game available to their countries. This is the argument that I feel is most important in considering this decision.

As an example, I would LOVE a US version category because I know the text better and when I run console, I really don't want to mod my PS2 to play an international copy. But then this makes the needs for Russian, European, etc. categories.

>That's your opinion, and a very narrow minded one at that. Believe it or not though people also share that same opinion about TWN and see it as a category that doesn't mean anything. The Split of the 2 regions was also in part to people not wanting to "compete" with TWN since it already has an unfair advantage to JPN runners.

Again, I don't think competition level should be a factor as much as logistics should be, and this is something I feel everyone involved is going on in a tangent. I want a 100% category where all enemies must be killed and all unique items and weapons collected. It almost certainly wouldn't be competitive, but then again, there are categories that exist on RE3 that have zero runners or only one or two, yet they exist. So this isn't really an argument unless these categories are also eliminated or merged into others based on competition level. There are still several categories with no runners at all. However, competition level isn't really an argument either way, and whether I'd be granted that category would be based on other factors, most likely, so I think this should be discarded when considering what direction to move in.

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  BlaneAndGameBlaneAndGame

Holy fuck. What a circle jerk. This exactly what happened last year when the grenade launcher tool was discussed. Feels like I’m living in the Nazi Germany Era and all the new runners are my fellow Jews. Where’s the love and civil discussion? Instead we just get name calling and the mods saying no one actually wants this, it’s not happening, when there was no actual vote or discussion taken into consideration because everyone turned on one another. All new ideas are unwelcome. To me change is a good thing for this game and it’s gonna take a whole community to make it happen... if it’s too much work to move or merge some leaderboards then why do you want to be a mod? Oh... hmm I know why. So you can spread your cock and balls and flash them to everyone. Inb4 people I trigger start calling me an asshole noob who’s point is invalid because they’ve never heard of me. What a joke OMEGALUL

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  DarazanjollDarazanjoll

I'm not even gonna answer that cause its been explained before in the old thread multible times.

I wont waste anymore time on this.

 
  LivLiv

The active runners argument is mainly silly because it's based on the idea that whoever is running the game at the time, no matter who they are or how long they've been running, has more validity than those who have ran in the past for a l or will come back to it at some point in the future.

In 1-2 years time, if all the current runners on this board branched out to other games and put RE3 on the side. Then, a group of newer runners jumped in arguing that they don't like Taiwan, or Arrange Mode, or, infact, argued Original/Arrange are both redundant and opted to instead covert the entire board to Light Mode for PC (which is a valid viewpoint) and remove all Original/Arrange runs... going by that idea you guys wouldn't have any grounds for a valid opinion because at that time you're not the currently 'active' runners of that community.

The thing is, you guys lean on this argument now because you are the currently active runners, but how would you like your opinion completely dismantled and ignored as invalid because you hadn't placed a PB on these boards in over 6 months? Or because you wanted to branch out your games and not stick purely to RE3? I said this before, but I'll say it again, not placing a PB on these boards in an extended period of time does not mean that you do not run.

 
  silentkastersilentkaster

>The active runners argument is mainly silly because it's based on the idea that whoever is running the game at the time, no matter who they are or how long they've been running, has more validity than those who have ran in the past for a l or will come back to it at some point in the future.

It does. It absolutely does.

Think about it. How did this board start? By people who ran the game and were interested in actively speed running RE3. Those people move on and are replaced with others who might hold different opinions. Because of these different opinions, things change. The person who may have started and left the game has a lot less validity to say, "It should return to the way things were two years ago because reasons," and that person also has less validity to say, "I want to return to the game, and here are some things I disagree with because..."

This is how life works everywhere. Again, I don't get to vote in Texas elections because I used to live there and I have some interest in returning. Instead, I look at how things are now and say, "Should I return there still? Have things changed too much where it will be undesirable, or am I fine with how things are? Are things better than when I left and more attractive now?"

Just like if a new runner came to the board and said, "I think NG+ should be merged into Any % because technically, that is any % of beating RE3" doesn't mean that RE3 should change and do that. It doesn't mean that person can't have a voice and be listened to, but ultimately, they are going to be weighted less because they don't run the game.

Also, weight can be placed on many variables. For instance, you might weight someone who has run the game for two years and then took a year off and is interested in returning over someone who has been active for a week. You might weight someone who runs 30 games actively differently than someone who runs RE3 exclusively. They all bring a unique perspective with them. However, I think activity on the board should primarily set the precedent for the weight of the opinion.

>The thing is, you guys lean on this argument now because you are the currently active runners. How would you like your opinion completely dismantled and ignored as invalid because you hadn't placed a PB on these boards in over 6 months?

I'd understand completely.

I didn't get to vote in Brexit, although I have an opinion on that. You didn't get to vote in the 2016 US elections (unless you were an American citizen in 2016 and I'm unaware), though I'm sure you have an opinion on that. Even if one of us showed interest in moving to the other country, we still don't get to vote in elections that are happening now.

Doesn't mean that if we shared opinions we'd be ignored. Maybe we'd agree, even. But what it does mean is that our opinion is weighted less because we're not there. And similarly, if we move on and branch out to other games and take a rest or stop playing RE3, or any game, then yes, the opinion has a lesser degree of validity.

Also, I believe it's a bit of an extreme and an inaccuracy to say, "ignored and dismantled completely." Have the mods "ignored" anyone with dissenting opinions? No, they've responded. They've taken it into account. But ultimately, they made a decision, explained their rationale (which I don't think is "dismantled completely") and even to this day, are open to the change. That's not happening, here.

Edit: "That's not happening, here" refers to the mods ignoring anyone. The mods aren't ignoring. They've responded and others have as well.

>I said this before, but I'll say it again, not placing a PB on these boards in an extended period of time does not mean that you do not run.

It doesn't mean that you don't run, but this is a non-point. Since we're talking about the board, this means that by not placing something on the board, you're not participating in the board, which is where the rules of this board and the runners who submit runs to it are decided. Just because you never (or don't actively) submit a run to the board or don't want to follow certain rules of the board doesn't mean that you're not a runner. That's irrelevant, though. Again, that's like me saying, "I'm concerned about how schools are run in the UK. I think X should happen." Yes, I can have that opinion, and I can speak about it, but my opinion matters way less than someone with kids in schools in the UK. Even if I want to move to the UK, I have to accept how it is now and become a part of it before I can have weight to change it. Yes, similarly, I want people participating on the board to set the rules of the board.

Also, that doesn't mean someone with a contradictory opinion shouldn't speak, and yes, I think it's a responsibility of the mods to respond to them and not ignore them. If a former runner feels that rules should be changed, then they should absolutely be heard. However, it means that their opinion will be weighted differently (less) than someone running the game actively. And if the crowd who does this is a constantly molding crowd, then so be it.

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  OrchlonOrchlon

That's not the idea it's placed on Liv, it's based on the idea that active runners know most about the game and our input should be taken more seriously, and each opinion should be weighed appropriately, instead the way things are we are LITERALLY IGNORED, we get ridiculous for suggesting alternatives that are much better than what the current mods have done to the game without an explanation, and when we question some stupid decisions the mods have made, they claim it's been explained before and refuse to discuss it, yeah you might've explained it, but it wasn't satisfactory which is why there's people complaining here right now, and you won't face the fact that you made a mistake, and refuse to entertain the possibility of alternatives and simply try to shut down discussions by "agree to disagree", or by claiming "we're not getting anywhere with this".

Also this hypothetical you bring up, if those new runners are people who actually have ran the game enough to actually know what they're talking about, then yes, at that time their opinion should be held in a higher regard, even higher than ours if we've already quit the game and the WR is already beaten. But right now, our opinions are being almost being flat out ignored or called ridiculous without any justification, and the mods are making changes they like instead of taking input from us.

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  [user deleted]

I agree with @MoeMoe7, RE3 "community" is a fucking joke, mainly thanks to great and wonderful RE2 know all runners.

I'll be removing my runs and just enjoying the game when ever i play it, i don't want anything to do with this circus until there are changes.

@StevenMayte I think Dickhead has a nice ring to it you should keep it !

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  LivLiv

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"Since we're talking about the board, this means that by not placing something on the board, you're not participating in the board, which is where the rules of this board and the runners who submit runs to it are decided."

My point was that running a game and personal besting in a game are two entirely different things. You place only PBs on the boards, not all your runs. You could be running this game for months straight multiple times a week and not land a single PB, and thus not have a time to submit to the boards.

So, what you are implying is that you can only have an opinion of validity on how the boards are managed if you are constantly submitting Personal Best times to the leaderboard.

Otherwise, like I asked, how are you judging if someone in active in a game? Are you really judging it by the frequentness of their PBs submitted on SRC?

@Orchlon I think I understand where you're coming from. Though, looking at it from the perspective of the mods, they had quite a few Japanese runners (coupled with the runners who disagreed with TWN and Japanese being merged as well) who flat out weren't happy with how the boards were structured, prior to the separation. People who were pretty much in your shoes right now. You aren't happy with the boards right now, as well as a lot of other people. However, at the end of the day the Mods have to make a decision and hopefully make a decision that can at least please most people. Either they piss off you and some other runners or, or they piss another group of runners off. I mean, ideally, none of the PC versions would be separated. It is what it is though, you can't please everyone and someone has to get the bad end of the stick. A lot of the people who disagreed before just either weren't vocal about it, or they just dealt with it and continued running the game.

One goal for the separation, really, was keeping Japanese runners integrated with our community. The Japanese have always kinda just done things separately in the past. They either stuck entirely to Nico, or they had their own 'RTA' boards. Most in the past had used Turbo, also, because this wasn't one of their rules. It was only over some steady integration and work that the Japanese were sort of brought into ours and we all universally started playing by the same ruleset and so forth. It is kind of a selfish reason for separation on top of everything else, admittedly, but it's potentially good for the longevity of the game. Even if there are two categories of the same platform and multiple records, etc.

 
  OrchlonOrchlon

Who were those japanese runners that complained? Was it Albirex, or Pekoron? Was it Poppo the free WR hunter? or please don't tell me it was komakino. Besides, did the mods try explaining that the difference was too minimal to justify a separation? What was the reason for their unhappiness? Were they mad that they were losing time due to the version differences? I wouldn't buy that because no japanese runners were good enough for 15 seconds to make a difference, also, did the mods point out there was a perfectly working filter function on the boards? Were they people who for some reason choose not to run the chinese version for arbitrary reason despite having access? I would say get over it, they're exactly the same except faster text. I don't know the answer to these questions because the mods both lack transparency and then not consult the actual community before making these changes.

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  LivLiv

An issue was that it's a considerable time difference in their eyes, even if it's a pretty small difference, and from their perspective it cannot be obtained on the market anywhere close to easy through legal means for the most part.

A Japanese runner called Keny got around to actually ordering the EA version online from an auction, it was pretty much the exact same case, disc and everything. But when he actually tried to run the game it wouldn't work. After he had extracted the files it appears that they had been tampered with beforehand and that this wasn't a legitimate version of the game, as the base .ISO was missing several files. One could assume someone just burned the files onto a disc and tried to sell it online/it was bootleg, etc but they did a bad job and the game wouldn't even launch. This is just one example, and one person attempting, however. Obviously a greater attempt could be put forth by every Japanese runner to locate this version legitimately, but this was one of the contributing factors on top of everything else that was adding to the Japanese playerbase complaint.

 
  Magn00zlMagn00zl

Im from year 400, but wtf is going on in here? ???

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  kenykeny

This is my personal opinion, please understand that it is not representative of other Japanese runners.

Also, since I do not use English on a daily basis, I think that I am sorry if I have written extraordinary things.

First, I would like to respect the feelings of Taiwan version runners, with Orchlon as the lead.

In reality, I think that Taiwan version of the runners are leading the current Resident Evil3's Speedrun.

It is clear if you look at the recent participants and the update frequency of records.

Especially Orchlon's recent runs are wonderful. Representative Japanese runners also have a respect for him.

Secondly, as Liv says, I myself have purchased a Taiwan version at auction in Taiwan, but the trouble in operation has already been resolved and it is available.

The default folder of the installation destination seemed to be garbled, so changing to the same folder name as in the Japanese version was the cause of the problem.

Taiwan's auction is difficult for Japanese to handle, purchasing Taiwan version is not common, so I was not able to spread with my information dissemination so far, but yesterday again for Japanese people , Taiwan version exhibition information and more specific information of the purchasing agency was released at nico nico blomaga.

Interest in Japanese Taiwan version is getting stronger recently, so I think that contributing my information to entering the Taiwan version of Japan at least somewhat.

For Taiwanese auctions, a lot of Taiwan versions are exhibited that are inferior compared to the Japanese media kite version, so especially for Japanese who want to newly enter Resident Evil 3, Taiwan version of I do not think the challenge will be disadvantageous.

I myself will enter the Japanese version of 44 minutes in 22 seconds. After achieving that record, I would like to challenge the Taiwan version.

 
  OrchlonOrchlon

Okay Keny, how much trouble was it exactly for you to obtain a taiwanese version, like how much money did you spent and how long did it take for you to get the disc in your hands? Do you think it'll be much trouble for other japanese runners to obtain the taiwanese version, especially if a runner is committed enough, because I believe if japanese runners can reasonably obtain the taiwanese version, the only reason for this split is invalid and should be undone.

 
  wolfdncwolfdnc

BabyRage 2.0 May I see a receipt of purchase for your game sir ? wdncN

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  Democritus3Democritus3

It's a computer game lads, put your controllers down, and lets go for a few beers

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  kenykeny

@Orchlon

The amount was not that much. I think it was around $ 75.

However, since the Taiwan version has an impression that started with the use of "illegal" copies from the Japanese perspective, I think that the psychological entry barriers are bigger than the amount.

Actually operating Taiwan version impression, I think that there is considerable advantage over the Japanese version at the speed of item operation. In addition to saying that the speed is simply fast, when I took the battery of the city hall, the Taiwan version saw breakthrough as easy as the zombie advancement distance was reduced. Advantage of several seconds or more will occur due to individual creation, so I think the Japanese version runner will be pretty disadvantageous.

Regarding the fact that the Japanese version and Taiwan version are different games, I agree.

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  TheWendiGo3TheWendiGo3

Is the debate about the taiwanese version being fake still going on 😃 ?
Sorry, if not, I didn't take the time to read the numerous comments on the topic xD

 
  insanebbinsanebb

They just have nothing to do, then type here about FAKE no FAKE bla bla bla version

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