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  rippercjrrippercjr

The seperation between China & Japan is just like every other catagory in any game... REGION FILTER. Lets go

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  kenykeny

Japanese runners can use Chinese version officially if I can confirm that the purchase for Chinese version is effective in Japan.

Therefore, as for the seperation between China & Japan, will wait until I can confirm it?

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  DarazanjollDarazanjoll

@rippercjr reason I brought up the seperator was because all the other version are ripped straight from the disc were Ubi isnt.

Now if we do get hold of an ISO that were ripped from the disc then there wouldn't need to be a seperator.
Although I dont think some people are prepared to end this discussion if the Ubi disc turns out to be like the EA version, you know....legit.

 
  DudleyDudley

Thank you so very much, keny. I appreciate that you would go out of your way to obtain the Ubisoft version.

I expect the copy to be identical to the Ubisoft version we are running. Hopefully this will put an end to this topic.

BabyRage

 
  DarazanjollDarazanjoll

@Dudley: "I expect the copy to be identical to the Ubisoft version we are running."

What will happen if it turns out to be different?
Serious question, I wanna know.

 
  kenykeny

Likewise, thank you so very much, DudleyC_.

Product information of AMAZON which you showed would greatly contribute to it if I could purchase for Chinese version officially.

No offense, but, I felt something odd with your some comments.

Possibly you think that I may feel it in the same way about my comments, too.

I think that there may be that ways of thinking of the copyright protection law are different in the background by the native place country of the runners.

Will you explain a way of thinking of the Copyright protection about the use of the copy of the United States in plain words if good?

 
  DarazanjollDarazanjoll

So I've done some framecounting between UbiSoft and EA.
UbiSoft was set to 800¤600
EA was set to 960¤720 (forgot to change resulotion)

Gun Powder A pickup (Turbo)

EA:
408-358+1=51
529-480+1=50
1698-1646+1=53
1812-1760+1=53
2815-2763+1=53
2920-2868+1=53
3945-3893+1=53
4049-4000+1=50
5209-5160+1=50
5298-5249+1=50
Average: 51,6 frames

UbiSoft:
169-119+1=51
311-259+1=53
531-479+1=53
666-617+1=50
905-852+1=54
1015-966+1=50
1255-1203+1=53
1380-1329+1=52
1581-1532+1=50
1688-1639+1=50
Average: 51,6 frames

Equip Gun SLOT 7 (Inventory>SLOT7>Equip>Exit Inventory)
This was done with the fastest macro i could make.

EA:
430-392+1=39
487-449+1=39
542-505+1=38
597-559+1=39
650-612+1=39
701-664+1=38
751-713+1=39
802-764+1=39
852-815+1=38
904-866+1=39
Average: 38,7 frames

UbiSoft:
125-86+1=40
180-142+1=39
230-193+1=38
284-245+1=40
338-300+1=39
392-355+1=38
445-407+1=39
497-459+1=39
547-509+1=39
602-564+1=39
Average: 39 frames

Counting starts on the first frame where it starts to get dark before inventory opens, counting ends on the first brightest frame after closing inventory.

So far the versions are pretty much the same as far as inventory goes, despite if people think that the EA is slower. EA even had a bigger resolution and was on par with Ubisoft which had a lower resolution so if they were at the same resolution EA might be faster.

I'm still gonna make a macro for combining gunpowder and see if there is a difference or not. This time with the same resolutions.
If anyone wants something specific tested just ask.

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  DudleyDudley

Dara, if the version is different then I will just have to BabyRage . Wolf did a test play through of the EA version and he said it's slower. I don't doubt him.

keny, the reasoning behind my comments is because I own several physical copies of this game. You as well own a copy RE3. Why should we have to worry about buying the game again in a different language? The content is all the same. It may not fully be justified but when most of the leaderboard does not own a physical copy of the Mediakite version let alone a copy of any RE3, it's just very hypocritical.

BabyRage

 
  [user deleted]

Dudley... How do you not even slightly doubt him when he is up against someone who counted it to the frame? It's clear that there is basically no differences between the menus???

 
  DudleyDudley

After reviewing the frame data I was skeptical since I have not tried the version myself. I showed Wolf but he still says EA is slower.

Wolf has run both versions of the game for a considerable amount of time so I trust his judgement.

 
  DarazanjollDarazanjoll

Does wolf have any numbers from those tests? Was there any major things that I can test myself?
I think its more likely that wolf already assumed that the EA version was going to be slower then UbiSoft, add the "underground post" on a public forum tweet and we can tell that he wasnt exactly thrilled about this version before his test. Therefor I think that he didnt do these tests with an open mind, I think he assumed theyanswer before he did this play through and I bet he didnt try his best. Why would ones opinion with human inputs have more credibility then framecounting done by a TAS?

I've done the frames for pick ups which I saw wolf was complaining about on stream, I'm also gonna do combining things in the inventory which was another thing he had a problem with.

"It may not fully be justified but when most of the leaderboard does not own a physical copy of the Mediakite version let alone a copy of any RE3, it's just very hypocritical. "
MediaKite and EA are ripped straight from the disc to an iso, Ubisoft comes is a folder that doesnt look legit at all and we still dont know if the disc version keny got would be the same.

And if EA turns out to be the same or even faster then what reason would you have for not switching? If they are the same that means that the current runs on the board could stay but people would have to switch to EA cause its a confirmed copy and it looks a hell of alot better.

I find it sad that I take this game way more serious then 2 of the mods of this game. I find it sad that they are incapable to reason or even listen to what the majority in this thread has said and still think that they have more authority to decide, choosing personal opinions over legitimacy and facts. Putting Babyrage in every post and stream title. Tweets like: "Underground Post" -> He's a supermod for the game and he has never read a thread on the forum...............
Lazy to change the leaderboard so they hire a new mod to do the work for them. PC on fullgame leaderboard, every other platform on level-leaderboard and mercenaries is its own game? RE3 could look just as good as RE2 and that is not a personal opinion.

I have to say this, You should not be mods for this game and I could this way better then you ever could.

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  wolfdncwolfdnc

Sooo after reading all of this BabyRage again I tested the EA version again, and at first I was having lag spikes and input drops because I was having a lot of errors at installation. I seem to fix it and tested it offline and it seems to run not faster or slower than Ubi version. Only difference is that EU requires serv pack 2 win XP , UBI doesn't. Yes I abruptly tested the game on stream as I was installing it without doing further test and no I do NOT have time to read posts on forums and test frame data both versions run THE SAME. Supermod , mod, runner dude like come on you are taking this like it is more important than life you gotta calm down a little. If you wanna be mod take it, I just like to contribute to the resident evil speedrun community as much as I can, fake or "legit" I like to have fun with the game and it is a GAME ffs. You are taking this a bit too personal towards me and duds js. Like I'm cool with everyone but this forum deal and personal attacks are just a lot of ResidentSleeper REMEMBER GUYS IT IS A GAME BabyRage

 
  DudleyDudley

I've spoken with Wolf about the EA version again. He adjusted his game to run in compatibility mode for XP Service Pack 2 and advised that the game is running at comparable speeds to the Ubisoft version (which does not require compatibility mode to be enabled).

Originally posted by DarazanjollMediaKite and EA are ripped straight from the disc to an iso, Ubisoft comes is a folder that doesnt look legit at all and we still dont know if the disc version keny got would be the same.

And if EA turns out to be the same or even faster then what reason would you have for not switching? If they are the same that means that the current runs on the board could stay but people would have to switch to EA cause its a confirmed copy and it looks a hell of alot better.


I believe I am misunderstood in this light. This was directed toward keny's question. I am not against running the EA version if it is indeed comparable in speeds (which your frame data confirms). In fact, I'm the one who arranged for it to be brought forth (shoutouts to faiarrow).

Originally posted by DarazanjollI find it sad that I take this game way more serious then 2 of the mods of this game.

I find it sad, too. BabyRage

Originally posted by DarazanjollI find it sad that they are incapable to reason or even listen to what the majority in this thread has said and still think that they have more authority to decide, choosing personal opinions over legitimacy and facts.

I'm listening. Isn't this why the discussion is still going on (9 pages now)? And I do believe that the actual runners of the game (which is the reason they are mods in the first place) should hold more authority/say over others.

Originally posted by DarazanjollPutting Babyrage in every post and stream title.

Say hi next time. BabyRage

Originally posted by DarazanjollLazy to change the leaderboard so they hire a new mod to do the work for them. PC on fullgame leaderboard, every other platform on level-leaderboard and mercenaries is its own game? RE3 could look just as good as RE2 and that is not a personal opinion.

Some of us have a finite amount of time to spare. Julian is a prominent runner of the game and graciously volunteered to make the changes as it was his idea.

Also, I'm down for the board change. I think it looks clean.

Originally posted by DarazanjollI have to say this, You should not be mods for this game and I could this way better then you ever could.

BabyRage

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  DarazanjollDarazanjoll

@wolfdnc

"I seem to fix it and tested it offline and it seems to run not faster or slower than Ubi version."
This shouldv'e been posted in this thread once you realised that the versions seemed to performed the same. If you did this test within the last 2 hours then fair enough.

"and no I do NOT have time to read posts on forums"
The threads were over 2 months old wolf......

"Supermod , mod, runner dude like come on you are taking this like it is more important than life you gotta calm down a little."
If the mods wont listen to our valid arguments, votes and would rather stick with a version some runners (japan) cant run then there is only so much you can do.

"You are taking this a bit too personal towards me and duds js."
My answer above + If any moderators acts opposite to what thay are suppose to do then I'm gonna have to call them out on that. I'm not alone when im saying that it seems you guys sometimes act like you own this board or something and that you decide alone whats going on on this board. If I was talking with a non-mod then I wouldn't have to do all of this but that how it is with mods. You have more responsibility and the community expect you to listen to everything and act after the communitys will. And hey atleast it got you talking and somewhat more serious.

@DudleyC_

"I am not against running the EA version if it is indeed comparable in speeds (which your frame data confirms)."
Well thats good to hear but if EA was still slower then I guess UbiSoft would still be the version to run? Which of cource means that if I ever made a translation or slightly modded the game to make it faster then you would have no option of approving it. If you allow 1 version that comes from a unconfirmed source then why would you reject another?

"And I do believe that the actual runners of the game (which is the reason they are mods in the first place) should hold more authority/say over others.´"
I ran this game way before anyone of the current runners even started. Last time I ran the game was in august.
And how do we determine the unactive runners? Where goes the line and who draws it?

"Some of us have a finite amount of time to spare."
I'm fully aware that people got other stuff to do in life but this board had 6 supermods before Julian got added as a mod.
6 Mods should be more then enough to moderate a board.

Lastly I do wanna say that I didnt want to attack anyone. Most people just want to have fun with running the game and I do take it one step further, especially when it comes to moderation. If I see someone is wrong and there is valid evidence against it then the right thing to do is to correct them. Like "RE2 runs better on a bad PC", anyone stating this better have some good evidence to back them up otherwise its just plain missinformation and a lack of understanding on how the game works.

I do hope that this discussion ends here and EA becomes the new standard (unless the UbiSoft Disc turns out to be genuine and exactly the same). Since EA and UbiSoft seems to perform exactly the same then the current runs wont have to be deleted like i stated earlier.

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  LivLiv

Unrelated to the China version but relatable to what Dara said above. This has nothing to do with Duds or Wolf, this is simply my view on Mods overall.

My opinion is moderators are simply there to verify runs. do the work in terms of editing boards, and taking action when the appropriate action is asked of them by the community / the majority.

Moderators shouldn't have more authority than others over what is / isn't decided, or think that what they say is more valid and/or of greater value than what anyone else says. The same is the case for people who think just because a runner is active on these boards, that their opinion is of greater worth, because that, quite frankly, is a stupid opinion. Simple as. I heard the other day in a chat (not giving names) a remark about players in this topic 'being low on the boards' when talking about what they were saying as if their opinion was of less worth because they weren't as high on the boards as other people are? This wasn't anyone in here saying this, but the point still stands.... that is a very dumb thing to say. Worst thing is, it's people backseating this discussion in chat rooms and on twitter. Like if you aren't gonna actually post in here, or offer something productive and simply bitch on the sidelines about others, don't say anything at all.

There is a large difference between someone who has never ran the game, and is not interested in ever running it VS someone who has had a long term commitment to the entire RE community and has indeed ran the game (and cared for it) in the past trying to help make things fair for everyone.

Many people in here have been running this series for a long time, far longer than a lot of the people making these remarks have, just being totally honest, we all care about this series and it kind of looks demeaning and petty when stuff like this is passed back and forth in a thread and on twitter. Especially when you're (essentially) being told your opinion is worthless because you haven't submit a run to the boards in X months.

/toolongdidn'tread

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  ZGotenZGoten

Thanks for purchasing that copy, Keny. Looking forward to the results.

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  JulianJulian

Darazanjoll

I'm agree that i don't have your experience like you for moderating the game. I was thinking on removing myself the mod after doing all the leaderboard migration 'cuz i just wanted defend the people who form the RE3 community: Runners, no matter how are active right now (Magnum and Knife Nemesis deletion 'cuz not active runners - Arrange mode 'cuz Original was popular the most recent cases) As Liv said, mods listen the community, and don't act agaisnt of them without reading opinion of the majority. Before being a mod of this game i called all runners (active and non-active) before changes were made in this game and post their opinions if they were agree. Maybe i'm not running the game like before but i'm still watching some runners that are interested in playing and i try helping them (HatsKu, HoriAyami and Crisdoile2 are the most recently and active runners) and no matter what if i'm mod or not, i'm gonna be here for read their opinions and if i'm agree with them i'll try to collaborate with them.

Your data information that you shared is interesting 'cuz i was thinking in the same, region games developed should run as the other one that we actually have, not exactly but almost near of that. We had only the JAP in this version and thanks to faiarrow and Enetirnel we found a lot of versions of the game. Tested JAP and TAIWAN versions i'm agree that have some particular similar things. If we had at least an ISO or an original disc we could analyze if CHI runs exactly as all the versions that we have.

Wolf and Duds

We as moderators aren't the community. Runners are the people that make the community, in our case we have to listen to them. I was testing the Taiwan version and all the CHI versions that were shared (i think were 2) and i'm gonna give my opinion.

If is 100% true that exist a CHI version of the game i'm agree that we should find a ISO that shows the information of that one. Having a compressed file give us just an idea but think about that those compressed files can be extracted from a side and modified. Getting the disc of that one will give us an idea how fast go the game and if that CHI version is correct for using.

¿Why are some runners playing the Taiwan version? 'cuz was tested and accomplish almost all the characteristics as the JAP mediakite version of the game. Instead of talking about approving or not think about the community instead of playing the fastest and the input lags and other things that you found in that version. Lets just find all the possible information of the versions that we have and evaluate everything to see if everything is fine, thats all. If you want to continue running the CHI version. Do it, your most active runners right now (Roxy Rose, Magn00zl, HatsKuSakura and HoriAyami) are running the TAIWAN version 'cuz that's only one confirmed in this forum that is 100% legit, who else is gonna run the CHI version. Lets count, Wolf, Duds, ok, who else? We're here for not banning the CHI version. We're here collecting all the information to see if runs exactly, doesn't have any graphical issue, instalation, etc.

Instead of putting babyrages and giving same arguments please think in the future of this game instead of thinking in who has the fastest time.

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  kenykeny

DudleyC_, will you teach the definition of "physical copies" in detail?

The definition seems to be different from Japan in the United States.

It really violates the Copyright Act in Japan to obtain physical copies of the softwares which I do not purchase.

I think that it is to follow the game industry economically to purchase software.

The act that only a copy obtains without really purchasing software, as a result, it obstructs the development of the game to spoil the profit of the game industry and thinks that it becomes disadvantageous to game players.

I want you to tell me how it is thought about this point in the United States.

 
  StevenMayteStevenMayte

@keny "Physical copy" means you have purchased the game legally like from a store or online auction.

Copyright Act is very different in japan than most places in the world so people do upload/download things illegally without anything happening to them.

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  SephJulSephJul

I just read 2 first pages cause it s way too long 😜

To be honest, this thread is not the root issue but is the result of mistakes :

1) Not having clear rules of which version is currently accepted on PC (avoid not yet voted version on leaderboard)

2) Doing a vote. Chinese version must be removed right now of the leaderboard ( NOT banned but NOT accepted). Vote YES/NO as soon that a version is discovered is not a good idea. Investigate, discuss about that but don't vote too hurry.

3) Sharing respect. Each time a new stuff is coming some people don t hesitate to rush forum to keep or do a new WR stupid stuff. If someone find something new and submit the idea, please stop thinking about being the best but think about new possibilities.

4) STOP thinking that ONLY active runners can vote something. Stay open mind for oldest runners who want to come back or future new runners 😉 Simply stay fair and legit

That's all, i will not give my personal POV about the version and/or SRT cause, it s clearly a thread to chose a "side" and i have already one : Resident Evil Runners 😃

Btw i m not RE3 moderator so i let you decide 😉
Jill's fan 😜

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