Vote for Chinese Version
7 years ago
Sweden

@Dudley: "I expect the copy to be identical to the Ubisoft version we are running."

What will happen if it turns out to be different? Serious question, I wanna know.

Japan

Likewise, thank you so very much, DudleyC_.

Product information of AMAZON which you showed would greatly contribute to it if I could purchase for Chinese version officially.

No offense, but, I felt something odd with your some comments.

Possibly you think that I may feel it in the same way about my comments, too.

I think that there may be that ways of thinking of the copyright protection law are different in the background by the native place country of the runners.

Will you explain a way of thinking of the Copyright protection about the use of the copy of the United States in plain words if good?

Sweden

So I've done some framecounting between UbiSoft and EA. UbiSoft was set to 800¤600 EA was set to 960¤720 (forgot to change resulotion)

Gun Powder A pickup (Turbo)

EA: 408-358+1=51 529-480+1=50 1698-1646+1=53 1812-1760+1=53 2815-2763+1=53 2920-2868+1=53 3945-3893+1=53 4049-4000+1=50 5209-5160+1=50 5298-5249+1=50 Average: 51,6 frames

UbiSoft: 169-119+1=51 311-259+1=53 531-479+1=53 666-617+1=50 905-852+1=54 1015-966+1=50 1255-1203+1=53 1380-1329+1=52 1581-1532+1=50 1688-1639+1=50 Average: 51,6 frames

Equip Gun SLOT 7 (Inventory>SLOT7>Equip>Exit Inventory) This was done with the fastest macro i could make.

EA: 430-392+1=39 487-449+1=39 542-505+1=38 597-559+1=39 650-612+1=39 701-664+1=38 751-713+1=39 802-764+1=39 852-815+1=38 904-866+1=39 Average: 38,7 frames

UbiSoft: 125-86+1=40 180-142+1=39 230-193+1=38 284-245+1=40 338-300+1=39 392-355+1=38 445-407+1=39 497-459+1=39 547-509+1=39 602-564+1=39 Average: 39 frames

Counting starts on the first frame where it starts to get dark before inventory opens, counting ends on the first brightest frame after closing inventory.

So far the versions are pretty much the same as far as inventory goes, despite if people think that the EA is slower. EA even had a bigger resolution and was on par with Ubisoft which had a lower resolution so if they were at the same resolution EA might be faster.

I'm still gonna make a macro for combining gunpowder and see if there is a difference or not. This time with the same resolutions. If anyone wants something specific tested just ask.

faiarrow likes this
California, USA

Dara, if the version is different then I will just have to BabyRage . Wolf did a test play through of the EA version and he said it's slower. I don't doubt him.

keny, the reasoning behind my comments is because I own several physical copies of this game. You as well own a copy RE3. Why should we have to worry about buying the game again in a different language? The content is all the same. It may not fully be justified but when most of the leaderboard does not own a physical copy of the Mediakite version let alone a copy of any RE3, it's just very hypocritical.

BabyRage

California, USA

After reviewing the frame data I was skeptical since I have not tried the version myself. I showed Wolf but he still says EA is slower.

Wolf has run both versions of the game for a considerable amount of time so I trust his judgement.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Sweden

Does wolf have any numbers from those tests? Was there any major things that I can test myself? I think its more likely that wolf already assumed that the EA version was going to be slower then UbiSoft, add the "underground post" on a public forum tweet and we can tell that he wasnt exactly thrilled about this version before his test. Therefor I think that he didnt do these tests with an open mind, I think he assumed theyanswer before he did this play through and I bet he didnt try his best. Why would ones opinion with human inputs have more credibility then framecounting done by a TAS?

I've done the frames for pick ups which I saw wolf was complaining about on stream, I'm also gonna do combining things in the inventory which was another thing he had a problem with.

"It may not fully be justified but when most of the leaderboard does not own a physical copy of the Mediakite version let alone a copy of any RE3, it's just very hypocritical. " MediaKite and EA are ripped straight from the disc to an iso, Ubisoft comes is a folder that doesnt look legit at all and we still dont know if the disc version keny got would be the same.

And if EA turns out to be the same or even faster then what reason would you have for not switching? If they are the same that means that the current runs on the board could stay but people would have to switch to EA cause its a confirmed copy and it looks a hell of alot better.

I find it sad that I take this game way more serious then 2 of the mods of this game. I find it sad that they are incapable to reason or even listen to what the majority in this thread has said and still think that they have more authority to decide, choosing personal opinions over legitimacy and facts. Putting Babyrage in every post and stream title. Tweets like: "Underground Post" -> He's a supermod for the game and he has never read a thread on the forum............... Lazy to change the leaderboard so they hire a new mod to do the work for them. PC on fullgame leaderboard, every other platform on level-leaderboard and mercenaries is its own game? RE3 could look just as good as RE2 and that is not a personal opinion.

I have to say this, You should not be mods for this game and I could this way better then you ever could.

United States

Sooo after reading all of this BabyRage again I tested the EA version again, and at first I was having lag spikes and input drops because I was having a lot of errors at installation. I seem to fix it and tested it offline and it seems to run not faster or slower than Ubi version. Only difference is that EU requires serv pack 2 win XP , UBI doesn't. Yes I abruptly tested the game on stream as I was installing it without doing further test and no I do NOT have time to read posts on forums and test frame data both versions run THE SAME. Supermod , mod, runner dude like come on you are taking this like it is more important than life you gotta calm down a little. If you wanna be mod take it, I just like to contribute to the resident evil speedrun community as much as I can, fake or "legit" I like to have fun with the game and it is a GAME ffs. You are taking this a bit too personal towards me and duds js. Like I'm cool with everyone but this forum deal and personal attacks are just a lot of ResidentSleeper REMEMBER GUYS IT IS A GAME BabyRage

California, USA

I've spoken with Wolf about the EA version again. He adjusted his game to run in compatibility mode for XP Service Pack 2 and advised that the game is running at comparable speeds to the Ubisoft version (which does not require compatibility mode to be enabled).

[Quote=Darazanjoll]MediaKite and EA are ripped straight from the disc to an iso, Ubisoft comes is a folder that doesnt look legit at all and we still dont know if the disc version keny got would be the same.

And if EA turns out to be the same or even faster then what reason would you have for not switching? If they are the same that means that the current runs on the board could stay but people would have to switch to EA cause its a confirmed copy and it looks a hell of alot better.[/quote] I believe I am misunderstood in this light. This was directed toward keny's question. I am not against running the EA version if it is indeed comparable in speeds (which your frame data confirms). In fact, I'm the one who arranged for it to be brought forth (shoutouts to faiarrow).

[Quote=Darazanjoll]I find it sad that I take this game way more serious then 2 of the mods of this game.[/quote] I find it sad, too. BabyRage

[Quote=Darazanjoll]I find it sad that they are incapable to reason or even listen to what the majority in this thread has said and still think that they have more authority to decide, choosing personal opinions over legitimacy and facts.[/quote] I'm listening. Isn't this why the discussion is still going on (9 pages now)? And I do believe that the actual runners of the game (which is the reason they are mods in the first place) should hold more authority/say over others.

[Quote=Darazanjoll]Putting Babyrage in every post and stream title.[/quote] Say hi next time. BabyRage

[Quote=Darazanjoll]Lazy to change the leaderboard so they hire a new mod to do the work for them. PC on fullgame leaderboard, every other platform on level-leaderboard and mercenaries is its own game? RE3 could look just as good as RE2 and that is not a personal opinion.[/quote] Some of us have a finite amount of time to spare. Julian is a prominent runner of the game and graciously volunteered to make the changes as it was his idea.

Also, I'm down for the board change. I think it looks clean.

[Quote=Darazanjoll]I have to say this, You should not be mods for this game and I could this way better then you ever could.[/quote] BabyRage

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wolfdnc likes this
Sweden

@wolfdnc

"I seem to fix it and tested it offline and it seems to run not faster or slower than Ubi version." This shouldv'e been posted in this thread once you realised that the versions seemed to performed the same. If you did this test within the last 2 hours then fair enough.

"and no I do NOT have time to read posts on forums" The threads were over 2 months old wolf......

"Supermod , mod, runner dude like come on you are taking this like it is more important than life you gotta calm down a little." If the mods wont listen to our valid arguments, votes and would rather stick with a version some runners (japan) cant run then there is only so much you can do.

"You are taking this a bit too personal towards me and duds js." My answer above + If any moderators acts opposite to what thay are suppose to do then I'm gonna have to call them out on that. I'm not alone when im saying that it seems you guys sometimes act like you own this board or something and that you decide alone whats going on on this board. If I was talking with a non-mod then I wouldn't have to do all of this but that how it is with mods. You have more responsibility and the community expect you to listen to everything and act after the communitys will. And hey atleast it got you talking and somewhat more serious.

@DudleyC_

"I am not against running the EA version if it is indeed comparable in speeds (which your frame data confirms)." Well thats good to hear but if EA was still slower then I guess UbiSoft would still be the version to run? Which of cource means that if I ever made a translation or slightly modded the game to make it faster then you would have no option of approving it. If you allow 1 version that comes from a unconfirmed source then why would you reject another?

"And I do believe that the actual runners of the game (which is the reason they are mods in the first place) should hold more authority/say over others.´" I ran this game way before anyone of the current runners even started. Last time I ran the game was in august. And how do we determine the unactive runners? Where goes the line and who draws it?

"Some of us have a finite amount of time to spare." I'm fully aware that people got other stuff to do in life but this board had 6 supermods before Julian got added as a mod. 6 Mods should be more then enough to moderate a board.

Lastly I do wanna say that I didnt want to attack anyone. Most people just want to have fun with running the game and I do take it one step further, especially when it comes to moderation. If I see someone is wrong and there is valid evidence against it then the right thing to do is to correct them. Like "RE2 runs better on a bad PC", anyone stating this better have some good evidence to back them up otherwise its just plain missinformation and a lack of understanding on how the game works.

I do hope that this discussion ends here and EA becomes the new standard (unless the UbiSoft Disc turns out to be genuine and exactly the same). Since EA and UbiSoft seems to perform exactly the same then the current runs wont have to be deleted like i stated earlier.

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Germany

Thanks for purchasing that copy, Keny. Looking forward to the results.

keny likes this
Japan

DudleyC_, will you teach the definition of "physical copies" in detail?

The definition seems to be different from Japan in the United States.

It really violates the Copyright Act in Japan to obtain physical copies of the softwares which I do not purchase.

I think that it is to follow the game industry economically to purchase software.

The act that only a copy obtains without really purchasing software, as a result, it obstructs the development of the game to spoil the profit of the game industry and thinks that it becomes disadvantageous to game players.

I want you to tell me how it is thought about this point in the United States.

England

@keny "Physical copy" means you have purchased the game legally like from a store or online auction.

Copyright Act is very different in japan than most places in the world so people do upload/download things illegally without anything happening to them.

keny likes this
Belgium

I just read 2 first pages cause it s way too long ;p

To be honest, this thread is not the root issue but is the result of mistakes :

  1. Not having clear rules of which version is currently accepted on PC (avoid not yet voted version on leaderboard)

  2. Doing a vote. Chinese version must be removed right now of the leaderboard ( NOT banned but NOT accepted). Vote YES/NO as soon that a version is discovered is not a good idea. Investigate, discuss about that but don't vote too hurry.

  3. Sharing respect. Each time a new stuff is coming some people don t hesitate to rush forum to keep or do a new WR stupid stuff. If someone find something new and submit the idea, please stop thinking about being the best but think about new possibilities.

  4. STOP thinking that ONLY active runners can vote something. Stay open mind for oldest runners who want to come back or future new runners ;) Simply stay fair and legit

That's all, i will not give my personal POV about the version and/or SRT cause, it s clearly a thread to chose a "side" and i have already one : Resident Evil Runners :D

Btw i m not RE3 moderator so i let you decide ;) Jill's fan ;p

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Franche-Comté, France

I agree with SephJul. Can we just remove chineses runs for the moment and check if the version is legit (not just a hack with chines texte) or if we can buy it somewhere, check if there is no difference with ntsc version and wait for a decision before a validation of the runs.

Franche-Comté, France

idk if it can be useful but I found that... (there is not a lot of things about that version on internet...) https://www.reddit.com/r/residentevil/comments/2ou4dr/found_a_biohazard_3_last_escape_pc_taiwan_2000/

Darazanjoll likes this
California, USA

That Reddit post is by Enetirnel, is it not?

Hoobie and Enetirnel like this
New South Wales, Australia

That is indeed a post by me over on Reddit, I was surprised to find some of the early models still working when I last looked through this version of the game and ran a little research, before running more research on it with Faiarrow.

That's why I joined in on this topic in the first place, and as I've explained to a couple of people by now:

Some of the products released in Taiwan initially also retail in Hong Kong and then the rest of the China where permitted and these are often trademarked back to simply Capcom in Japan, whereas products in Hong Kong may be trademarked back to either Cacpom in Japan, Capcom Asia or both.

Faiarrow did bring up something interesting of note: the Bio3 version we both have copies of uses the regional romanized system that is used in - mainland China, Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan. And that this was how the title of the Biohazard/Resident Evil series was originally written as, before there was a change and we now typically see the simplified Chinese title more frequently beyond particular releases.

There is no real uniformity in how the Bio products are branded in China - older products generally use the same as what I've typed out for the Taiwan version, but for instance the live action movies use the simplified version but then with the release of the Marhawa Desire comic it's gone back to the original title, for what I assume is to make it conform to the fact that the manhua for Bio2, Bio3 and CV in the region used that too and they were very popular.

So we typically use the name variation to narrow down where the product origin was, or the year of release because there's a massive lack of information due to multiple reasons:

  • The age of the products against the companies that were involved at the time, meaning that companies involved such as Dysin have dissolved or divisions have undergone changes - like EA did not have EA Asia's individual division labelled as such at the time. This means that whatever information that was on the sites listed on cases, manuals is lost if it isn't available via something like using the Wayback Machine or other website archives.

  • Because there's no uniformity in releases, without having physical copies on-hand to check it's otherwise impossible to tell what is real and what isn't, so the places where copies can be obtained legally (shops or second hand auctions) need to be narrowed down in the first place to avoid problems such as this from both a player perspective and a collector perspective.

I made that post while I was doing research and I've tested that those other models are not used in the game, but one of the early versions of the alternative Jill face looks like it may get loaded up - but you can completely ignore them as the PS1 versions have the same early models but I can't remember if they had the same textures as the ones I pulled up from the PC version, so either way it was irrelevant beyond making me look into this version's distribution method and the like because it looked nothing like any of the bootlegs I've picked up from China in general for comparison.

I never bothered to update that post with more information, so the information in here or on Twitter from both Faiarrow or myself is going from what we settled on and marked down regarding this release after being able to confirm at the very least, the versions we had were official. Just like how there is a Bio2 version and a version of Gun Survivor released on PC in Taiwan as well.

So with narrowing down this release to Taiwan, I've showed a couple of copies of the softbox version of Bio3 and even the EA release via Ruten Taiwan, Yahoo! Auctions Taiwan over the last few days. If you searched on say, Taobao using the same title variant - you wouldn't find much beyond manhua copies and the official Marhawa Desire versions.

So both versions are belonging to the China region, it's just that we have variants with both simplified and traditional in usage in either version so they are differentiated in that but with frame speeds having been counted and being nearly the same and them both being from the region - they fit under the China region umbrella, while they may have been based on the Japanese Mediakite release - they are not a Japanese region version, and they are not a widespread Asia release (because we've seen Korea having their own official regional version, other countries have as well) so they don't fit under anything other than China with that in mind.

TL;DR - Taiwan and China versions are both regionally the same, but while in the same region of release they do use two different written language systems in either version, despite that. So, the other one we don't know the exact regions of distribution beyond China overall and that the title version implies it likely is later than the releases which used the original title version and we have been able to confirm were distributed back in Taiwan first. This is why the 'EA' budget line version and the original softbox version have gained the moniker of "Bio3 Taiwan" and the like from us narrowing down the original regions of distribution to be able to obtain copies in the future.

Hopefully this clears up some of the confusion which in part I've unintentionally added to, but this is why I was curious how official releases in one 'region' that has official major language releases and packaging differences would be sorted into as it's not the exact same as the other Chinese version but it doesn't fit in with any other version either.

I'm probably just being pedantic though.

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