Vote for Chinese Version
7 years ago
Sweden

Mods could you at least make two subcategories for Japan and China? With Japan being displayed by default for obvious reasons I won't mention again.

California, USA

It may seem insensitive, but I'm sorry that Japanese runners are unable to run the Chinese version. While it is very difficult to find this version of the game, that doesn't mean that we should totally invalidate it. Why can't I run the Chinese version and let the Japanese runners run their respective version? It's like subjecting all runners around the world to play on PAL.

We already know what times the Japanese version is capable of. Even if there is a faster Chinese version run, it doesn't discredit the runs from the Japanese version. Hell, even though Wusscake beat my time using the Chinese version, I still know my run on the Japanese version is just as impressive.

I just wanna go fast. Let me go fast, Dara.

BabyRage

Edited by the author 7 years ago
New South Wales, Australia

Thank you for doing the comparison, FurryWulfz!

I have no idea why there's the transparent problem going on, I was more involved in doing reskin things for the games and was surprised to find the EA one as the ROFS files hadn't needed to be unpacked to be able to access the character models so it was really easy to edit the textures. Went through my old Photobucket account and dug this out of my modded screenshots just to show that at some stage these weren't always transparent:

http://i.imgur.com/2f2Kvxd.png

It's probably possible to figure out how to fix it, but I doubt anyone wants to bother with fiddling around with the files.

As for the 'button' folder floating around - there may be the chance that there's a bootleg version of the Ubisoft distributed one floating around that's been repacked with stuff like a trainer and so-on, it's really hard to be able to say without that version on-hand to reference.

It wouldn't be particularly surprising though.

[EDIT] As for rarity, that's pretty much unknown as there's very little documentation on these releases as it is so production numbers or sales numbers are unknown but the Taiwan versions are more commonly seen on Ruten Taiwan and Yahoo Auctions Taiwan as well.

I have seen more copies of the full softbox version than any other, though I've seen by now a good five or six of the EA re-release. Loose copies I've seen plenty of (over 20 by now in the last couple of years), full box is much more uncommon. Have only seen one sealed.

As Faiarrow did mention, 3 was rather popular so it does make sense to have had more in terms of production in contrast to the Gun Survivor PC version from Taiwan with that in mind alone.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Sweden

@DudleyC_ go as fast as you want me ol' China.

Just separate China from Japan and everyone can be happy.

New South Wales, Australia

FurryWulfz - the folders that are unpacked were related to the 'rooms' for the game so that's why you can see the backgrounds in the 'BSS' folders as those manage the actual background packs for sections of the game.

For general reference on the file formats - http://rewiki.regengedanken.de/wiki/Resident_Evil_3

The ROFS.dat archives would've needed to be unpacked to localize the game in the first place as the RDTs (room data) were off the top of my head, packed into them and those are what would've needed to be changed.

So there's probably some sort of error in how the game was modified (that is, the new text and font tables needing to be inserted and things needing to be modified per room) that's caused it or it could just be a rendering problem when you consider the age of the games.

Either way, they are certainly a different (although regional) version so I don't understand why they would be grouped together into one with that in mind - like would this be used as a basis in the fact that other titles in the series do also have known official regional versions too to make adjustments in the future to make it easier to keep the leaderboards correct without negatively impacting people if more regional versions are used in general?

Edited by the author 7 years ago
New South Wales, Australia

FurryWulfz, I made it a number of years ago and as for that Jill's files are split into a couple of different ones (due to the change when you get the extra pouch gear) but - pl00, pl01 are Jill's default costume files.

You also have Tofu (I think this was pl0f in the first data folder) and other things sitting in the files that you can use for a general swap. PS1 version's costume files are compatible with any PC version of 3 if you have any problems with the PLDs in the game. Ignore the 'pl##CH' files as those are mainly incomplete as they're from an earlier version of the game, although in the Taiwan version there is a default Jill file with a different face which was also in the early model versions too.

Aha, that makes sense. Just figured I'd ask as I have some regional versions of other things as it's just a little confusing to look at from a non-runner perspective as to me I wasn't sure if things could only be done with particular copies of things and if that was the case, if someone used an official regional copy if it would be considered to be invalid and rejected when things are grouped in together.

Like, not relevant games but in the PAL territory - Clock Tower 2 has an individual English release, but there's also dedicated French and German releases and they're differentiated by their catalog numbers as the English version is not the typical multi-language that we see currently, and then under the NTSC-J umbrella on the PS2 is Clock Tower 3 in having a Korean version too.

That's all I was curious about as if that was the case for someone restricted to a particular region, like the Japanese players that it seems unfair if other times are done on particular versions that bloat out their version or to not have their version counted as it's technically not the "main" one.

But again, that's just coming from someone not currently running - this is something I've been curious about for a while as I would like to start but have been wary about which versions of things I use in the first place.

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New South Wales, Australia

Well, if things are run with a regional version as they are at their base from a particular region what I was curious about is that would they be considered valid or invalid as a run for the game on a particular platform if the version they're using is their actual local version instead of the version being recommended which is despite being effectively grouped into the same classic console territory groups (like NTSC-U, J, PAL) but is a totally different regional version and most likely, language?

We know 3 isn't the only one with other language versions as the first three games and Gun Survivor have had localized releases and while they're nowhere near as common as the usual Japanese, US or European versions they are still around. So what would people using regional versions have to do in that situation - mark it as the closest region like UK or Japan and then make note of their actual regional version in this, or would that be disruptive to the actual regional leaderboards as is the case with the Japanese runners being restricted by respecting the law?

This is the only reason why I haven't gotten into speedrunning things because I have physical releases from multiple regions that are official purely from collecting things, and while I'm not fussed about which version I play - I'm just not sure where the standing is in that for particular circumstances without negatively impacting anyone by choosing to play a particular version of a game in my physical possession what things should be logged as, especially so if it was a person who was (in comparison to my circumstance) only playing their actual region's version of the game?

Or would that be just down to it being a factor of if and/or when it could happen that this same discussion would happen again?

I know, I'm likely just being pedantic about this but I figured I may as well ask as I have no idea about it.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Sweden

Mag makes a good point. The evidence is pretty solid for EA and UbiSoft is very slim in comparison. How do you know that the ISO ( oh wait it's a folder right?) you are using right now for the Ubisoft version is the same version as that amazon post? EA, MediaKite and SourceNext has been demonstrated to be legit with physical discs.

EA should replace the current version until Ubisoft gets the same kind of evidence like EA/MediaKite/SourceNext

Edited by the author 7 years ago
California, USA

The Ubi Soft version is listed on Amazon with an ISBN number. I'd happily buy it but it's out of stock. I also don't have enough leave from work to fly to China to search for the physical copy. Running the EA version is moot since it is slower than the Ubi Soft version. Also, adding another board doesn't make any sense as we already have the option to sort by region.

BabyRage

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Sweden

Have your tried to search for that ISBN number or did you take it for granted that it was genuine?

I tried to search for it last night without finding anything. Most of the ISBN numbers these days are used for books and maybe they were also used for games in the past.

I'm not gonna stop there though, I'll get some help from someone from china to try to track it down.

Sweden

http://www.zxhsd.com/kgsm/yxcd/2008/07/18/1350417.shtml

there you have it, one of the rares version of Bio3 and starting bid is 2 dollars.

Japan

Thank you everyone for your information.

In Japan, it seems to be sold directly from the following sites.

http://shopping.jchere.com/detail.asp?id=224721

I did not know whether it was the real thing until a product arrived and used it, but was able to really order a product by collect on delivery.

Sweden

@keny did you actually get the game?

Could you stream it or upload pictures of the game? :D Like pictures of the box, CD, installation window, ingame fotage etc

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Japan

Sorry, Darazanjoll.

I do not know the method to stick a direct image on this forum.

So I upload images on my Twitter, and stick the URL.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuK2VZlUIAAPSBp.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuK3WofUEAAfaW5.jpg

Can you look at the images? (I hide a part of my e-mail address.)

Darazanjoll and Roo like this
Sweden

yeah we can see the pictures.

if you got more pictures when you get the game then add an extra row between the links so its easier to see them like:

  1. [url.....picture.....blablabla....

  2. [url.....picture.....blablabla....

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Japan

OK.

I show pictures by the method that you told me, as soon as detailed information becomes available.

Chicago, IL, USA

The seperation between China & Japan is just like every other catagory in any game... REGION FILTER. Lets go

wolfdnc likes this
Japan

Japanese runners can use Chinese version officially if I can confirm that the purchase for Chinese version is effective in Japan.

Therefore, as for the seperation between China & Japan, will wait until I can confirm it?

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Sweden

@rippercjr reason I brought up the seperator was because all the other version are ripped straight from the disc were Ubi isnt.

Now if we do get hold of an ISO that were ripped from the disc then there wouldn't need to be a seperator. Although I dont think some people are prepared to end this discussion if the Ubi disc turns out to be like the EA version, you know....legit.

California, USA

Thank you so very much, keny. I appreciate that you would go out of your way to obtain the Ubisoft version.

I expect the copy to be identical to the Ubisoft version we are running. Hopefully this will put an end to this topic.

BabyRage

Edited by the author 7 years ago