Everything that needs to be said has already been said in this thread. I don't see anything good coming out of this.
The mods and veteran members of the community have been very clear in pinpointing what Feurigerilias needs to provide in order to be anywhere near persuasive.
Of course, Feurigerilias refuses to acknowledge this advice and continues to stream 10+ hours a day raving over the inadequacy of the mods, the community, and the GTAIV runners.
How can this issue ever be resolved?
Feuri, you made this an impossible thing to resolve when you started screeching every time somebody said something you didn't want to hear.
A bit of self-awareness goes a long way dude.
It is my opinion after watching hours of your streams that this has more to do with personal vendettas and paranoia than it has to do with cheating.
I think you honestly did go overboard last night when you got me involved to that much of a point, ilias. you make it seem like i'm accusing everyone of cheating as well. You were over reacting at that vodoo drive on SA. You said one person cheated then went back 180 and said he didn't.
Basically my role in this is that i thought lelreset was editing the .dat handling files, as well as omega a year ago, which i didn't bother with. The reason i thought omega was cheating is obvious, he made many driving mistakes but still saved time in like the badlands races. Small example.
The reason i think lelreset is cheating is because he is sketchy as a person, he told me and others recently it only took him a month to learn the game, but a person (bangaranghun) told me that he was up to San Fiero in the learning process back in August. So again, it's very easy to edit the .dat handling files, Kortek did it on stream and he didn't know how a year ago when i was looking into omega.
Why lie about that? If people would lie about that then they can easily lie about anything and if they have WR people will believe them, and not the accuser.
ilias spread his points poorly but he did have a point about Kyle, like i said, i don't run the game and don't know anything about it regarding the frame limiter and shadows, etc. So i can only be neutral like i have been.
I'm not against you or with you now, everyone hates everyone in this community and it will stay like that.
[quote=CyberThunder]I'm not against you or with you now, everyone hates everyone in this community and it will stay like that.[/quote] I don't see hate in this community, not at all. Only few people seem to be carrying a load of hate with themselves but i don't think a few poisoned seeds make the whole community rotten in this case.
You see, there is a difference between hate-powered ranting and normal man-to-man discussion. Someone saying something, strictly or not, against someone else, does not make them haters right away. It doesn't make their opinion biased either, I believe most of the people here are completely out of bias in this case and would happily support Ilias' side in case something concrete was found and vice versa.
What makes this case harder is both Ilias and Kyle used quite powerful ways of argumentation, many of which tend to bring out strong, negative feelings. Instead of the feelings, the focus should be on the actual stuff that's going on, not the ways of argumentation also for the said two (Kyle and Ilias).
I still haven't seen any pastebins, videos or anything that actually prove Kyle is cheating. Saying "Kyle getting angry means he cheated" is just a silly, childish logic that doesn't have any truth-base. It's even more the other way round; if Kyle cheated and he was accused of it, he would have the best reasoning ever for all of the situations he was accused of cheating on.
This discussion, as so many other ones, does not (shouldn't) base itself on hate or love but instead, facts and knowledge. 'Nuff said. I don't believe Kyle cheats, feel free to prove me wrong.
ps. believe it or not, even cheaters need to be good to be able to perform stuff. Scripting RNG or not, having driving scripts or not, you need to be good at the stuff to be able to do it. I have seen cheaters and seen them caught, I have made TAS and seen it made, yet never seen anyone doing/done ANYTHING proper without actual skills.
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I don't know if Kyle or anyone else is cheating because I don't know much about the technical shit in the games, but even if Kyle is cheating in IV (you've even accused him and other runners of cheating in SA), you have lost all your credibility by accusing anyone who has criticized you. Maybe if you didn't reset literally OVER 9000 times you would actually come close to Kyle's time.
Besides, you dismiss people's opinions because they supposedly don't know anything about GTA IV, yet you feel qualified enough to assess SA runners. Don't get so worked up about stupid shit, after all speedrunning is supposed to be a fun hobby!
Lastly, I will leave you with some wise words from a very wise man:
I'm not going into the shit memes.
I can just grin at anyone pretending this community contains "no hate".
I was told to go to insane asylum or worse, I have been told to die, I got threatened that my channel will be closed down. The insults were just so real and personal it is unbelievable. No random people people did that but community members that are "respected". That people post shitty as .gif and vids here doesn't even surprise me because this immaturity is always there no matter the drama. Never serious. Because fuck the dude who resetted so hard over Easy Fare Bullshit.
It's also amazing to see so many people that don't even know the speedrun nor the game be so full with themselves that they know better than me while Kyle still hasn't explained were his rng grind is.
Apparentely pointing that one out is wrong because dismissing someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. And btw, I did do SA any% I actually I grinded it for a bit before I realized it is not my
He is a crafty cheater who doesnt change handling but uses most likely recorded drives.
Yesterday I never accused anyone. This people were accused not only by Cyberthunder but by many others as well. I looked at Omega's driving in the 5:07:07 a little bit. It looks legit to me. Other people don't look legit and I never flip flopped on it. Omega explained himself calmly and didn't become personal, consistently insulting me or anyone for that matter. He had nothing to fear.
People becoming this ugly (and if we have to discuss that the shit right now happening is not despicable behavior, then you will never understand it ever) means a lot. It tells me they are hiding something. There is no reason to insult me this badly. And don't even pretend me calling a person an idiot because he doesn't run the game and yet has a very high opinion of it is literally the same.
SA is not my fight. I did runs for it and I can tell what the feel of the game is. If you are mod for a game and you verify runs you have to make sure you verify them and not just click accept because the dude is well regarded in the community.
I'm no longer even going to go into the Kyle cheating thing. If you believe someone can get one run for the day and immediately gets amazing rng and doesn't get destroyed at least in Easy Fare, Crime and Punishment and also Russian Revolution, that is on you and your own naivety or maybe something even more sinister.
I never worried why Wr holder never had to struggle with this missions because suspecting someone is cheating is the last thing you think off. He decided to become even more obvious with sub 9:30 First Dates now which just cannot be done because of the RNG and the so called skill that is envolved in them. You people don't know how hard it is to get sub 9:30. You have to play amazingly and the game has to pamper you. If you do the first thing always perfect (which you won't because hey you do mistakes no matter the skill) you will get owned most likely by the rng part.
But logic never had any place in this discussion. If it would be, Kyle would have calmly explained how he gets this consistent rng and how I can improve to get a sub 9:30.
I did the grind. It cannot be done. The RNG grind is too heavy for someone to get this consistently.
But yet again people decide to ignore me fully on this matter because believing I am just jelous seems to fit this kind of childish behavior pretty much anyone has been showing really well.
When people claim they are being bullied and there is hate in this community, you take them serious and don't just make fun of them and that makes you right.
If a very experienced player that for the whole of november and december grinded like nothing else tells you that WR and all the previous attempts just gets times you can only get if you reset runs that die to RNG like mad.
I really hate namecalling and I always make sure before I do any name calling that I lean back and do it because that person truelly deserves to be insulted.
You people are harder triggered than anything I have ever seen. If I would be this wrong, why would you care this much to defend him that badly even though you haven't even done any sort of effort to understand the speedrun and the grind and why I say it is not possible to have this consistency.
GTA games lack consistency. The runs die very often not because you played badly but because you got shit rng.
At this point I don't know what average rng would look like in gta iv because I also take into concern what happens to other people. It never happens to Kyle so that tells me a lot.
The SA has to do their own fucking investigation, otherwise calls of cheating well never go away. Do I think something is happening there? Maybe. It's already enough that anyone should look very closely.
I asked multiple people that are very adept in SA on what lelreset does is plausible and they just go up because the shit he pulls of is this insame.
If a guys comes out of nowhere with no previous pb and only claims he "grinded" a lot offline you have to look at that run really really closely.
Not because everyone doing offline runs is a cheater but because it would be so much easier.
The only reason why I post in this thread anymore is not because I expect calm answer that discuss this with manners but because many other people will read this and will not have many issues agreeing with it. I don't go for extremes. I feel sad for Kyle that he did become such a bully. That shit happened earlier than this drama that Kyle showed very little respect for me for really no reason.
He is the reason why I started speedrunning GTA IV but let me tell you he won't be the reason I will stop.
All this hatred all this name calling all this consistent "Lalalalallalalla we cannot here you, he is just better" doesn't make me back off. It actually helps to find out the truth and how far and deep this is going. It's always the usual suspect when it comes to bullying. That they also happen to be this stronlgy involved in defending an accused runner of a game they don't run nor know anything about again is a weird coincidence.
In the end when there are too many coincidence, it becomes implausible and you can make a deduction.
I was not the one who got to serious about a game. The person who got this serious that he modifies his game to get consistently good rng is one that went over the line.
I'm still amazed how in this kind of drama I had to prove my handling file is legit and use a keyboard cam because again the usual suspects used whataboutism to change the suspect.
You people don't even seem to understand the difference between dedication and seriousness. Kyle doesn't show dedication. If he would he would want to see the GTA IV speedrun develope and have its community grow. He has no interest in making a tutorial and pretends wr is all you need to watch to run this game. He hides strats and doesnt tell you about them. If you ask him (and again I did this before I even suspected any foulplay) how I can become better and save time like he does, he doesn't give you an answer that is thoughtful and makes sense. Instead he plays the superiority card and says "skill".
This is not the Kyle that made me start GTA IV speedrunning.
And again if anyone thinks after all what has happened in the recent months that this community is full of peace loving speedrunners and the bad ilias is a big bad bully, then you really don't want to lean back and look at it with a neutral way.
The only thing I know all these people that I have gained as viewers the fact that my viewers have gone up double tell me all you need to know.
And even that pisses people off because they somehow become jelous. They pretend all I do is watch only vods even though I did many attempts that I had die at Crime and Punishment and Easy Fare.
No longer. I won't take part in that grind. I have to assess without bias what good rng is for these missions.
Even if you don't like people you can still respect them for their achievement. If you are going to tell me I do not know GTA IV very well and Kyle is so much better than you just go along in the same way as people bully everywhere. It's a clique of people becoming so in love with groupthink that they don't even notice when they are out of line, because everyone else is doing it and they can't be wrong, it's the majority? The majority is never wrong.
This is the kind of thinking you need to have a community harbor bullies and I guess even worse, cheaters.
I think that everyone in GTA community (and maybe even outsiders like me) should start grinding this supposedly impossible 9:26, or whatever the time was, in order to make some strong evidence, otherwise we will probably never see an end to this matter.
Ok, if you just do a demo and do not get it "all the time" for the purpose of getting a good IV time, you are right.
If you try to disprove him, you are not an outsider anymore and have incentive to cheat (splice).
And now I contradicted myself. I have multiple personalities. ;) Let's let them co-exist in peace. :D Both might be right.
Ryedawg linked someone beating Kyle's "impossible" driving times for small sections and the response was a) "but you drove so much better than him" - implying the diff he beat him by should have been bigger but wasnt due to cheated handling files? b) maybe he does not edit his handling and scripts If you would reproduce the drive 1-to-1 then the problem remains that Kyle uses scripted (recorded and ppayed back) drives to achieve the same thing.
if sa is not your fight,then you should be quiet about it and maybe listen to less of the nonsense cyberthunder says. lol, 1:26 to 1:19 strangely quick. It's called getting good, and even then 1:19 ls is beginner pace, you should keep up with the times old man @CyberThunder .
Interesting to see that you're passing what i say as ''nonsense'', and by ''quick'' i mean instantly, there is one vod of his SA runs left, and it's his LS that goes from 1:26 to 1:19. If it's such beginner's pace, all of omega's pb's had 1:18, almost 19 LS.
Right after reading that wall of text I am going to hit you up with a video, the pretty much explains why I attempted to remove myself from this argument in the first place, hopefully it will open your eyes a bit.
I no its a throwback but this was when I distanced myself and why, from it as it almost gave me a brain hemorrhage.
there is also a 20 minute long video after this where I use ReChat to show me attempting to make a discussion with you even though each time you make that FUCKING NOISE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! and ban me AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! also i was trying to prove i wasn't lying but timed out which is clearly open for discussion with arguably the only person that could aid you in your quest to get proof.
its also only 2 minutes long so everyone can watch.
Several times after what happens in this video I was debating whether or not I should actually put evidence together and speak on both parties side and be 100% not bias (which would me mentioning factors of both sides, good play dodgey play etc.), but I know for fact that the first time I would mention Kyle doing something correctly or right or disproving you, that you would just ignore it or make that stupid noise, because reminder I suck Kyles willy.
Also off topic kinda... seperate post inc.
Noz what the fuck that ending is the worst thing I have ever had to listen to I think we should kick you from the community just for that
Sorry but it gets the point across, so hopefully he will understand why people don't take him "seriously" or want to take part in a "discussion"
