This is a petition for a community vote on revamping the boards for DMC3: Special Edition. I've talked with some other runners of the game and we've come to a consensus on what we think should be voted on.
Consolidating platform subcategories to just be PC and Console This is easily the biggest change the board is in need of. The amount of subcategories on this board makes actual competition a joke. RTA is an inherently unfair timing method by nature, and with a game as old as DMC3 (almost 15 years) it's best to not split hairs over very minor differences in hardware when this game can run on a toaster (shoutouts to LonerHero's laptop). The reason we would want to vote on having PC as a separate category (which would encompass both 2006 and 2018 PC releases) is because we are currently reaching outside the community to get a properly working loadless timer.
As a sidenote to this, do not mention Switch having style-switching. That's clickbait and not confirmed at this time. Barring any more news regarding this, we can think about what to do with Switch later.
Any% and Dante's Awakening being moved to Misc. categories Any% as a serious category just doesn't make any sense. It's merely dying three times and then doing a NG Easy run with zero differences. Dante's Awakening being lumped in with the rest of the categories also doesn't make sense since it's effectively a different game.
I hope we can come to a resolution as a community and make the changes these boards need to look cleaner and more welcoming to newcomers. I would also volunteer my own time to help reconstruct the boards if needed.
Dante Awakening just dont need it own leaderbroad that why it allow to be here instead for people to run but it ok to be misc due to lack of people to has this version to play. speedrun should be on competition side and look more welcome as u said.
I may not be a runner, but I would like to give some outside perspective on this. As someone who has reformed, and set up a lot of boards, I have to agree that the DMC3 boards are in need of a change. There are far too many categories, based on what seem to be minor differences between Consoles, an unneeded Any% category, and three Misc. difficulties with practically no runners.
I'm not really super knowledgeable of every difference between versions and difficulties, but I know enough to see that this needs some work. It won't be easy or quick to do, so I hope everyone here can have some good discussion about it.
I am in favour of this and I am ready to have discussion about it.
I have brought this up quite a bit before. Console runners has to really accept the fact that RTA is inherently unfair. Storage technologies like SSD and console versions such as PS4 Pro/Xbox One X/Moded PS2 affect this. Therefore, all consoles should be merged together. It should have a variable that shows if it's (PS2/Xbox360/PS4/XboxOne). Same applies for PC (2006/HDC).
There are plenty of other boards (console exclusive) really implies that just run faster hardware if you want the record.
I agree with LonerHero, and want to add that in the future, a load remover should be welcomed for PC versions whenever it's reliable enough.
I agree with subcategories PC and Consoles. But I don't agree with load remover on PC version of this great game. On PC2018 load remover maybe it should be welcomed, but not on PC2006. I have problems with loads a bit on PC2018 coz I have "good" PC, but not on PC2006 because this game is so fooking old and can do fast load even on POTATO PC like mine. Prove me wrong really, but PC2006 dont have problems with mission loads like it have port from 2018. It's a little bit longer yes I agree but it's slower than original port 2006. Try to prove my wrong and tell me reasons why PC2006 should have loadless time on a par port from 2018.
It wouldn't make any sense if one port got a loadless timer and the other did not. Both ports would be under the same subcategory, therefore both would have the loadless timer.
No offense Bulkich, but "this game is so fooking old" isn't a good reason at all. Why should PC2006 have loadless? A better question is why NOT? The game may be old, but that doesn't somehow invalidate a load remover. Even as old as the game is, some people may still have varied loading times. As minor as they may be, Load Removers are the best way to ensure that everyone is on a level playing field.
I have discussed this with PvtCb and we have created two polls for the runners of this game (people with submissions in it) to vote on. I will DM all runners of DMC3 who are in the Discord server using the DMC3 runner tag. I will keep the polls going until all eligible people have voted or two weeks have passed.
Poll #1 - Leaderboard categorization Option #1: Combine PC and console subcategories to two (PC, console) Option #2: Keep things as they are
Poll #2 - Any% & DA Option #1: Move both to Miscellaneous Option #2: Keep things as they are
