I’m against splitting a leaderboard in these opening months for an unnecessary few minutes cut off of an otherwise identical run. You want the downside, it unnecessarily increases the submission load for the moderators making verifications, which will likely be insane without it existing, take even longer to get through and all for something that doesn’t need to exist. It also adds even more work to the moderators workload which at this particular time is literally the most stretched it will be until 3-6 months after release. They would need to verify that whatever gets decided on doesn’t mess up later parts of the game, RE Engine isn’t the most stable thing in the world, just having high frame rates can soft lock you in some RE Engine titles. Messing with saves causes other issues in the game and is often difficult for most users to do. Having a trainer hooked to RE Engine with absolutely no cheats actually being activated is enough to make AI act differently. Anyone on the mod team would need a lot of time to look over this stuff. This game has enough challenges it has provided these mods with already without adding the load of potentially creating tools to create a save to make a few people happy or having to verify that the special saves are exactly the correct one that is valid for submitting.
I was one of the people that was working to get NGH to work for RE7 by working close with Toast to make it happen, because we had a 20 minute intro with most of it being unskippable cutscenes. I was even the one that came up with and pushed for the idea of expanding it, making life harder for myself and other mods, to make it able to be run by more people. I’m not against the idea of something being cut ever becoming a category if it ever feels necessary for RE8, but this doesn’t because it’s all playable content and it’s literally a few minutes long. And if you try to add the stay alive portion, then you are getting rid of Lei farming and ammo/material gathering on top of getting rid of the “just hold w” section as y’all are putting it.
I’m done commenting here, cause you seem to have yourself set in your want for this and I’ve listed anything I’d have to say already, but it’s a bad idea for this game, especially at this point in the life of the game.
I'm really, really sorry for bringing all of this to you. When you mention the no intro on the other thread, I just got excited and thought that this was something that would be nice to discuss in a civil manner.
Reading the responses, and knowing that I was going to be part of this community, I just makes me feel bad for the amount of toxicity people bring without even asking. Reading things like "stop being a baby", "if you don't want to waste 6 minutes, you don't even want to speedrun", "you want instant gratification" and so on, makes me feel like I'm going down on a pit of toxicity that I just don't want for my life.
But on the bright side, that's ok because I can quickly realize which members to avoid and disregard entirely.
Anyway, as someone said on the thread, the point of the game is having fun, so even if the community votes against having a no-intro category, I can do it by myself without any hassles, since having fun is much better and rewarding than trying to put my name on a leaderboard.
Again, Waifu, I'm really sorry for how this turned out to be, it really wasn't my intention.
@TheCinephile Don't blame yourself for other people acting uncivilized. As long as you have fun running this game that is all that matters. People just need to learn that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
One of the main reasons that no-intro in RE3R was worth even considering was the reset heavy section following the auto-scroller opener. And it didn't need to go to NG+ or Assisted but whatever.
I didn't really care for it but I could see why other people would benefit and I supported that idea because of it. Most of the other people that said they would run no-intro never ended up putting up a run, so that's important to note.
This game afaik does not have barely any RNG after the opener. It's a straightforward run until castle. So there's not much of a case there. Also splitting the boards into two groups before they are open seems excessive.
VoS runners probably have the best claim for this if any. If NG+ runner seriously wants a no-intro, I mean come on you just need to get realistic.
I've read up on everything here, and I am somewhat disappointed in how some people approached this topic, and/or composed their thoughts. I don't even think the objective of this post's creation was to cause... well, all of this. I'm pretty sure the passion for the game and speedrunning itself is what is causing things to feel hostile here. Especially since it's easy to misinterpret one's true feelings through text. I understand this topic, and have been on both sides of the spectrum in plenty of other games/communities. Yes, it's pretty obvious that the first few minutes before acquiring the knife isn't very significant, but it's still a part of the game that doesn't need to be skipped to cater the minority of people who are doing exactly what EVERYONE should be doing. Just running the game and enjoying it. If a few minutes of gameplay at the beginning really makes you want to stop running the game, then that's on you, and not on the community or moderators for not creating an arbitrary category that will ultimately just split runners apart. Especially since we don't even have the tools to allow such a thing in the first place. Maybe in the future, when this game has been cracked a bit more, there will be a way, and it will be verifiable without us moderators jumping through loops during review.
For now, I ask that everyone just drop this, put that passion towards the game itself, and don't let it get to your head. There's a lot of work to be done, and this is the most exciting time for a fresh speed game. Especially one with so much potential. I'm going to lock this thread, as I would rather not have everyone running in circles and repeating their opinions. Let's go back to more important matters... Good luck, and have fun everyone.
