I heard that everyone has problems with the minigun glitch? Taking the stationary minigun in mid-air might be consistent, I have not extensively tested it, though and can't do that until Friday.

Architectural Espionage: Do you already use sniper and satchel strats? Attach satchels to the air condition units, snipe the guard (before the cutscene), take the photo, trigger the satchels with the right timing so that you are right at the exit when the "firemen" cutscene is triggered. This should be better than the Saint Mark's satchel strat. If you got a bike and have loads of hp to use, then it might be better to use a gun for the air condition units and run past everyone.

Edit: the "right time" for the satchels you need to find out. Trigger them near a guard and he busts you, if you leave the building between triggering the satchels and the "firemen" cutscene, it might mess up your map and maybe there are other problems I forgot. I tested this long ago.

Can I have your cheat table please? It sounds interesting to see how the "exp" is increased.

Crook, yes, unless you do Up, Up and Breaking Bank after Bistro.

To avoid a 4min or so jetpack flight, you can land a plane near the casino and then fly casino > jetpack at airstrip > heli. Quick and dirty testing showed that the jetpack survives two in game hours at 4x game speed, maybe parking the jetpack near the military base becomes a thing (needs to be 2min to and from the casino).

Bistro unlocks all the calls in question: Sweet, Leone, Breaking Bank unlock.

I can't think clearly, it is 3 am. ^^

For next week or - in the unlikely case that I have time - tomorrow: your route is this, right? Or what does 'normal Any% route' mean?

Care > Meat > Barrel > Espionage > Heart > Key Card > Dam > Cop Wheels > Dogg > Freefall > Misappropriation > BP > Green Goo > Up, Up > Bistro > Breaking the Bank

You need to read the edited part about Millie. SA girlfriends are strange...

If you dislike walls of text, let me appease you: the second half is not strictly necessary. ^^

First of all, thanks for not saying "All Missions%". :D

Millie You do not need muscle for her, "just" 50% sex appeal and as little muscle as you can - you read right. The formula is so crazy that you should read it: She requires 60 "points". The formula is (everything in percent): points = sex_appeal + Millie_progress / 2 if you have 40% muscle or more: + muscle / 2 else: - muscle / 2 if you have 50% fat or more: - fat / 2 else: fat does not matter in the slightest You start out with 20% progress. You lose 1% per rejection ("not fit" instead of "Hi Carl").

To get rid of the muscle, you can use the starve system. For that, it would be handy to know how it works, exactly, so read the last paragraph of the post. ^^

I tested a few cars: a few sports cars, the Stretch and the Windsor (from the sex shop). They all give you just that: 50%. You need to be "near" the car for the sex appeal boost. Damaging the car reduces the boost, even tiny crashes result in a substantial hit in sex appeal. You can use this stylish hair cut for an extra 5% sex appeal. This way, you can lose 5% and still satisfy her. To-do: fix link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16863306 /sexiest_affordable_haircut.png Video of the effects of damage: the value on the right is your sex appeal in ‰, so divide by ten to get it in %.

Wang Cars The phone call that unlocks buying the asset is unlocked by taking the Monster call, but to me that does not seem to not change the route.

Bunch of calls after SMB I don't know where to put all those calls, but when routing it, remember that no Mansion mission requires a marker. The Sweet call "disappears" after Vertical Bird and it is probably de-facto random if you get an RTLS or LV call (the optional Sweet and the Mansion marker calls are RTLS calls, the rest is LV).

Hunger System Thanks for the code and the final bullet point, Nick.

Takeaways:

• make sure you gain fat when eating, else it won't help much against starving

• if you plan to starve (LS races?), make sure you have a tiny little fat when you begin starving ("you are hungry" message) so that you don't lose muscle immediately.

• getting busted does not help against starving

• the meal/amount you eat to avoid starving barely matters

• Every time the hour on the clock changes, the "starve timer" increases.

• After 49h, you get a starve warning

• The next hour, you starve: ...1) you always lose fat ...2) ......- after 25h of starving (or [this is a bug?] immediately if you began starving without having any fat), you start losing muscle, too ......- Else, you lose health - but only if you have no fat.

• You reset the timer by ... - dying (getting busted is useless) ... - saving ... - eating ...... - if you do not gain fat when eating, the countdown does not reset, instead, it decreases by a couple of hours (but at minimum 36 [13h until starving warning])

• The starving timer increases when a mission changes the time (forwards or backwards, does not matter)

• The starving timer cannot progress when/you don't lose energy starving when:

1. cheat 'nofood' activated
2. player has no control
3. game shows >=1 menu (e.g. courier "results" or transfender car colour selection)
4. widescreen is turned on by script
5. cutscene is running
6. co-op game is in progress
7. player is in control of remote vehicle
8. player is attached to vehicle (e.g. on a heli in last woozie mission)

my notes: https://pastebin.com/FKRVHksk

I can't test things until Friday afternoon. So if anyone feels like doing so, thank you. :) Tell me where it failed. :D

goal: dupe Misappropriation and Fish in a Barrel with phone call starting bike school just once.

start: Stowaway done after Intensive Care 1 Catalina call unlocked [tiny-balled from after NOE, or LTF with duping]

look for nice car (you have 1 min to drive from the Meat Factory to Bike School)

call start Bike School [tiny-balled idiota] start holding[tiny-balled] cancel Bike School

start Meat Business stop holding when inside the car after the starting cutscene to cancel (using missiles would take the call) [ shootout disables cops and resets wanted level ] start holding during final cutscene [tiny-balled] end Meat Business call unlocked, now 2 Catalina troll calls available

start Madd Dogg end Madd Dogg [hold the entire time]

start Misappropriation start 2nd instance during the cutscene fly to dossier clear area from enemies take first dossier to set om=0 call unlocked, High Noon call wait 15s start holding[High Noon] take second dossier to set om=0

start Black Project stop holding during second cutscene to cancel dump all smg ammo(possible) start holding during final cutscene [High Noon call]

start Green Goo end Green Goo [hold the entire time]

start and dupe FIAB, taking High Noon call call unlocked Freefall call unlocked Saint Mark's Bistro

take Freefall call take SMB call start SMB

~8 min of holding calls... acceptable, I guess

[quote]The following threads, which are started/stopped as the game progresses, are used to check for different groups of phonecalls (check delay in ms):[/quote]

It doesn't have an explanation. Something like: delay of 1000 means that after the 15000ms are over (or after you get out of your vehicle), it can take any time from 0-1000ms until the phone rings. Well, I don't know, maybe that belongs just into a duping tutorial...

My bad about the Bike School marker, it is checked every frame indeed, just like Quarry.

About Blood Ring: When is the latest point you can start holding the call (holding tab/2nd fire)? Since at some point the call is cancelled by the mission, when you are put in the car during some loading time.

Boat school also phone call starts, I tested that a long time ago but without exiting it with a held phone call. It can be phone call started without pause buffering like Quarry. Seams useless, though. ^^

Kickstart needs 20% bike skill, you only get bike skill by finishing the school, not by individual lessons 8-track needs 20% driving skill (driving school gives 3% per gold).

Meat Business: There is a de-spawn area with radius 60 units around where Rosi is in the cutscene. Trucking has radius 100. Maybe you can get your car outside that area by jumping out and letting it roll. Depends on whether it is a very good car or not.

Still open to test are 8-track (requires 20% driving skill) and Kickstart (requires 20% bike skill).

Can you please include a one sentence explanation on what "delay" means?

Doing what tduva did in High Jack duping is risky since the call might start before bike school. The bike school marker is checked every 250ms, the game checks if the call is ready (i.e. 60000ms after ONMISSION=0) every 1000ms. It might come in 60000ms after OM=0 or up to 61000ms later. After getting out of your car more than 61000ms after OM=0, it can take 0ms for the call to come in or up to 1000ms. Same for the school marker, but it varies from 0-250ms. So sometimes the call comes in earlier thab bike school starts.

Nick said that you nees to miss a date for the consistent dump call. It seams to me that the only way of getting the progress to below minus 15 is getting the progress to 0 by shooting at her and then missing 6 dates. Missing dates requires first getting a 100% random call (1-23 hours, 1-59 minutes in game clock) that is only setup by driving past her house.

I don't know what button spam this is about but can't you use the mouse wheel? Or two mouse wheels, one up, one down, depending on which buttons to spam. In SA, if you roll the wheel slowly, it accepts every input, it seams, but it is still way faster than button mashing. If you roll it too fast, it ignores so much input that it is counter-productive.

Edit: This issue was solved one post later so don't worry.

One instance of the Pizza Boy script remains that waits until the pizza box is available (since the passed instance unloads it) indefinitely. Earleys is looking for a mission that you could start without crashing the game, that would kill the Pizza Boy script.

I'm sorry to disappoint you but remote grenades should also be an option. I remember user "any" using them to warp in Jury Fury, so I guess they also have infinite range (like the satchel remote controll in SA).

Ghoty: I am grossly oversimplifying for the sake of being understandable: he starts Pizza Boy during the line "my livelyhood, destroyed". When you start Pizza Boy during Shakedown, Pizza Boy starts at the same place where Shakedown was at that moment, let's say, in this case it is command number 420. For Shakedown command number 420 says "play audio: my livelyhood destroyed". But for Pizza boy, it says "mission passed" at command number 420. The vast majority of combinations crash the game. This combination is not only stable, it also instapasses the mission.

Technical, correct explanation by Nick:http://pastebin.com/xvc92Snx

Did Are You Going to San Fierro duping work? IIRC it did. It might be worth it in 100%, since it is on the way from Farewell, my Love to the farm. You'd get the 100%-Hydra early, after EOTL and fly to the last Trucking mission at the very end of the run. I'd find it funny and I like getting 100% earlier than triggering all made_progress opcodes (which is what defines 100%).

@Mew: I wanted this to happen during Riot but it is also a mission, not just a script, Nick said it crashes. Doing this during Riot would give two Riot instances like in the video to the already existing one, that's three instances.

The only script that changes the onmission flag is Valet, btw. You can use the fact that missions and scripts don't interfere to get Vigilante or Pimping with OM=0.

1. phone call start Trucking (OM=0)
2. start Valet (OM=1) Trucking stays (that's what I mean by 'not interfere')
3. fail Trucking (OM=0) Valet still runs
4. start vigilante/Pimping(OM=1)
5. fail valet (OM=0)

Oh man, all those assumptions. You're really helping us by questioning the stupid things we believe. :D Yeah, fuck common sense, in video games you can't sometimes blow up satchels from a distance and other times can blow them up from it feals the other side of the map. Have you tried blowing up the Truck from a distance? My guess is that the reason you can blow up the Dozer in the Quarry from the casino is that you are in an interior. Being in an interior you are actually miles above the ground, sometimes even above a different city but the game wants to make it look and feel like the casino interior were where the map shows it to be and they didn't want to deal with what that means for satchel remote control range and so they just disabled the check if you are in range.

Also we nees to re-test if the satchel remote control even has a range, maybe my testing was flawed. Maybe I tested with Ballas to get a gang war, the satchels exploded but the Ballas had despawned. Maybe I tried it on Snail Trail and the clear_area despawned it. I don't know how I came to the conclusion that there is a range.

:MOB_xxx so :MOB_SF still applies until Learning to Fly afaik. etc. :MOB_R (forgot the other two letters) for the troll calls and other calls that you get 1:01-1:03 after taking them.

That's a relief, I thought we were in serious trouble. Also cool that you can dupe during the cs for interior mode. In Ran Fa Li you do that by simply not skipping the cs until the second instance starts. Just don't flip your car. ^^

Instead of disconnecting the trailer, you can get out of the truck, back in and out again after some time. Then there is < 1:00 minutes left to the call, so that it will come in before Trucking fails. Edit: I missed that you said that, I still keep this for the others that missed it. ^^

Btw, the "normal calls" have variance in the time between them. 400ms iirc. Trucking gives a 500ms window. So if you want to get bufferless strats to be guaranteed to work, you need very precise timing. It surprises me how well it works in light of the knowledge of how variable the timing is. I don't know where the variance comes from apart from the fact that there is the 150ms wait statement for checking for OM=0, then the one 150ms wait statement if you are controllable and the timer is at >15000ms. Wait means that it happens every x ms, 150 in this case.

I don't know the variance in the waiting time between the 1min calls but you need to time getting out of the truck the second time that you are guaranteed to get the Catalina call because probably you will crash otherwise (Trucking starting High Jack).

Bastant2: I could dupe Fish in a Barrel without replays. I could also shoot and take a call afterwards, I could jump and take the call in mid-air. It seams that replays are unnecessary.

Josh could not dupe Fish in a Barrel the first attempt, the second one went fine. My guess is that you need to stand in the right spot inside the marker, he stood right at the edge and I noticed that if you can start a mission a second time during a cutscene might depend on where in the marker you stand.

Finally, I couldn't keep the NRG after Monster. The despawn areas aren't the problem. My guess is that abandoning a vehicle for too long makes you lose it.

My knowledge used to be that the game only keeps your last car in memory. So I was surprised that when I park a Maverick or NRG 300 meters away from Trucking and take a different car for the rest of the distance to Trucking and then get into the truck for the Trucking mission, the NRG/Maverick is still there waiting for me. That is interesting for duping Verdant Meadows to skip N.O.E (verified to work, doubtful that it is worth it) since you'd drive a fast vehicle to and from Trucking but if you park right at Trucking, you can't make it back to Toreno's Ranch before the 60s time limit for leaving the Truck expires so you need to park it a bit away from Trucking.

Comments on these game mechanics, Nick? :)

Yay, another dupe! We are duping Fish in a Barrel to skip our beloved mission Freefall!

I timed ~1 minute saved and verified that it works.

Normally, casino missions don't start again right away after onmission=0 and you have to enter the casino again to start the second instance. Luckily, FIAB is different. Just do the replay trick I described above and let go off TAB during the cutscene. Here it is again: "You have a ringing phone during Quarry, press F1, hold tab, end the replay, go into the marker inside the interior, fail Quarry while inside the marker." If you let go too early it does not work so just wait until you see anything of the cutscene and it will work. Then wait for the second cutscene to appear and then skip it. You should be teleported in front of the casino twice, if you didn't then you failed. You will get the Freefall call and that's fine.

Having the satchel remote control equipped makes the security personnel attack you, so delay that as far as possible.

The call I use is a Catalina troll call. Afaik, there are no alternatives but I could be wrong. The mission script only checks once every 1000ms if the call is "due" (it is "due" 60s after the last call or mission or I don't know what else). There is no way of determining "where" in the 1000ms gap you are at the moment (0.1s in or 0.9 in) since, afaik, it isn't reset after missions or anything. The Quarry marker sets onmission=1 ~0.5 second after starting the mission, so not pause buffering would be slower on average: You'd have a 1/2 chance (0.5 second time window between mission start and onmission = 1, 1 second time between checks -> 0.5 / 1 = 1/2) of not getting the phone call, then you'd have to blow up the Dozer, wait 10s for the wanted level to disappear and the loading time and blow up time are 5s when added. So you have a 50% chance of losing 15s, losing 7.5s on average, or you could pause buffer for 2s. So on average, you lose more than 3x less time to pause buffering. To make pause buffering quicker, press the windows key and search for "keyboard" in your language and open that. One tab should say "speed" or something.

The timing: The bold values are precisely timed (although that precision does not make sense because I am bad and randomness). The 0 00 and 0 03 times mean that you do those things in both routes and describe the slight differences between the times. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16863306/FIAB_dupe.png?dl=1

Edit: About Denise: The dream is to dupe Riot twice (= 3 Riot instances ) to skip territories since then you can start EOTL part 2 and there is no territory check for that mission. We don't know how to do that though.

Mew, does she always call exactly at the same time? I don't know what that would mean but it seams relevant.

My guessing about 4¤ desert/LV is complete. Some of those are timed, others estimated. All timings were done without cops and at the end I say how much time the cops are "free to" cost you to still gain time overall.

Monster High Jack: detour over Badlands bridge railing -2: timed w/o cops or barriers -.5: lost due to careful drive over bridge railing Interdiction no skip (would be slower or impossible due to barriers on both ways and property buying to save for phone call starting Trucking) -.5 due to no heat-seeking missiles in order to keep the 120 missiles from TLF -1 due to boat strats and inferior vehicle N.O.E. it seams that no Hydras spawn Stowaway Casino phone call [ Toreno's Ranch ] +.5: at the expense of not having a heli Fender Ketchup Explosive Situation -.75: no heli, cops enforce first cracking the boxes with the dumper, then taking the dynamite with the Sanchez You've Had Your Chips Don Peyote Intensive Care phone call [ Four Dragons Casino ] -1 Intensive[/u] Care Meat Business Fish in a Barrel Freefall phone call [ Four Dragons Casino ] Madd Dogg police trolling is not too bad Freefall no Hydras seam to spawn -1 due to not skipping that mission Misappropriation Black Project Green Goo & High Noon phone calls [ Toreno's Ranch ] -1.5 High Noon Green Goo Saint Mark's Bistro phone call [ Four Dragons Casino ] -.5 Saint Mark's Bistro (unlocks LV) _ 8.25 lost

17.5 saved in sf via dupes (if I said 16.5 earlier, that was subtracting 1 for Interdiction, I don't do it here) 555 waiting skip +.5 +.25 unknown time saved due to preparations done during Outrider (now that no diving is required anymore) -.5 for Katie (without missiles you have big problems)

-> 17.75

17.75 -8.25

9.5 min saved 75min 4¤ trolling 7.5s per minute can be lost to get an equal time