I'm mostly interested in the differences for speedrunning (this probably excludes the graphics)

1. does it allow variable traffic (little, classic, a lot) ; can it be toggled quickly?
2. is the manual aiming usable? (on PS2, the sensitivity was frustratingly high)
3. can you skip less cutscenes/calls as in the mobile versions?
4. how prone to crashing is it?

Edit: those are just a few questions I came up with, feel free to talk about different things.

I am glad that we have a community consensus and no one is against the proposed ruling as much as to be actually disturbed by it. I can't easily form my own opinion on the subject - I don't need to, the way it is going to be decided is good enough (or maybe a lot of people are convinced as in the gta3 timing poll^^).

This is an old idea of mine and Fatzke got it to work (I didn't and still don't have saves for my esoteric game version). When it is fully pollished, it should be worth it, also it looks really cool (Foot% strats :D). download stream http://twitch.tv/fatzke/c/2454604?t=40 <-- original twitch highlight - twitch servers DansGame

Probably it is best to use the shotgun to finish the pushed van and Voodoo off. You can probably go as near to the spawn location of the final car as you want, since "Diaz was ambushed and died! Next time keep him in your sights!" is disabled, once the second Van spawned, if I got the main.scm right.

E: Right decision to delete your post. I wasn't offended, I just have a low threshhold to say what I think. Go thy way; from henceforth sin no more. ;P

Anything that makes it easy for a user to submit and can be found is good. You can also link to http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/#gta@irc2.speedrunslive.com for submission over IRC, alternative might be a pm or a forum thread or both.

There seams to be no interest, honestly I wasn't surprised. I like gimmick/arbitrary categories, though.

If there is interest, I can create and maintain a 'leaderboard thread' in the GTA board for runs of the 'unpopular arbitrary categories', like Vice City no duping, GTA:SA all collectables/tags/etc, foot% of course :D, all story missions and more. People can then post their and other people's runs and I'll put them into a leaderboard. Give a like to show that there is interest.

I am going to join the any% race if it happens and I have time (likely).

Just curious. ^^

I roughly timed the M-16 run to gate strat in Arms Shortage, and it cannot be that great. Maybe it is faster when optimized, maybe not, but it isn't 10s faster. I haven't tested grenades, yet, though.

I worked a whole lot on mission skipping. The time saves in Portland aren't that impressive but I really like that a big RNG factor (3 Vans) is gone without losing any time or only a bit. The Portland skips have to be timed to see how much or if they save time.

bold: time cost to create rampage I included the mission start/end times of the 1:12:37 run, adapting them to the new strats, those used to be important to understand the post, not anymore.

3 Vans Skip: Overview: start Cipriani's Chauffeur along with a rampage, then dupe 3 Vans. Don't Spank (iirc) Create(M16, near Luigi) ~10s

10:37-12:37 Chauffeur Use(M16) mission is ~25s shorter than the rampage, use that time to: Create(Shotgun, near Dog Food) (25s) during waiting time Mistake tolerance: nearly none, <5s.

12:37 Laundry

For the Pick-up you can use the Kuruma and probably run them over. In my second attempt, I managed to do that, but the driver drove arround so testing needs to be done. Else, as was said above, cop car for shotgun.

[[~15:20-17:50 Meeting]]

note about time stamps in the following part: I included the 30s to set up the rampage replay in Chaperone Triads&Tribulations Skip start Chaperone, use 3 rampages directly after each other (6:00 minutes). That's longer than those missions alone, but since you also need to set up replays, it works out.

17:56-21:21 Chaperone Use(Shotgun) Create(microSMG or second m16??) (30s), but doesn't matter Use asap(microSMG or second m16??)

21:30-23:30 Grass Create(AK,near AK pick-up) 0s: waiting for Curly Bob Use(AK) so that rampage ends as Triads starts, i.e. asap. ;) after the mission Create(second shotgun or, if first microSMG done, maybe second microSMG) 25s

Mistake tolerance: You can start the last rampage later if you made mistakes, so it's friendly.^^

23:56 Triads

note about the weapon loss: probably it is no problem, where you need weapons, you get them from rampages you need to do anyways or you get it from the mission (sniper rifle). todo:Re-time Wasted Warp after Blow Fish since Hospital Tutorial doesn't load anymore Method: trigger bomb very early, stand next to the vehicle when it explodes, run into the fire

Under Surveillance Skip: Last Requests Use(after-Grass-replay): it is long enough to still be running when starting Sayonara

Sayonara 31:54-34:50 (10:40am mission start) Collect rampage "normally" (AK 2) 50s before killing Sal so that it ends when starting Under Surveillance 0s: waiting for Sal Create(m16 1) 0s:waiting for Sal

Surveillance 35:46

Start Paparazzi during the m16 rampage, for that you can use the Ambulance instead of starting Paparazzi and the rampage simultaneously (hold "start sub-mission" and F3, then end the sub-mission)

Setting up an RPG rampage during Sayonara for Paparazzi would be better. The problem is: Under 30s after Sayonara starts, the rampage from Last Requests ends, so you can only set up a replay without starting the rampage 50s before killing Sal because that's when you start the rampage that is timed to end after starting Surveillance. So you only have 50s to set it up unless you freeze the clock, wasting time. Maybe it is possible - keep in mind that the 'timed rampage' probably has to be one where the weapon is decent so that you survive Sal's guards. An alternative might be to pass a short rampage and during that rampage set up the RPG rampage. Example: start shotgun rampage (blow up only 8 cars), set up RPG replay in Portland, finish rampage, and 50s before killing Sal, start the last rampage.

ED duping is probably not worth it in any case. I became too tired and wanted to stop, here is how far I got (almost done^^). Even if you can do it with one rampage starting along with Arms Shortage (10s to save for that). In the 1:12:37 run, ED takes 100s, the 'optimal' time according to Eidgod and Jeremie is 70 or even 60s. Doing the mission with duping takes - optimistic estimate - 45s. You also need

• a rampage (you need one for Paparazzi, so you cannot prepare both during Sayonara)
• a weapon to kill Kenji (sniper through wall probably works, only needs reference points - and buying a sniper rifle).

[quote]WR barely misses the 2min window between AS and ED.[/quote] I heard of a 'segmented strat' for Arms Shortage. I guess it is running to the gate right after the "3 arms are >1 cutscene" and then using grenades.I can see the difficulties with using grenades, not with buying and using the m16 there, though. IIRC, I have already done that. Since you cannot change weapons, being locked to the m16, it's a bit slower -, but at least you have infinite ammo.^^ Maybe you cannot buy the m16 during rampages, though?

I heard that dropping a grenade is unsafe, it might fall through the ground, too bad that's mandatory if the ED skip saves time... It can only be way less bad than ED, though.

If the ED skip turns out not to be worth it, then that's a huge loss...

If you are sure that you want to stream, I recommend that you search YouTube for an OBS tutorial. I feel that short descriptions/screenshots probably won't help you a lot if you do not know how OBS works.

There is no need for splits, btw, streaming the gameplay is enough.

I misunderstood the trick. Now I get it:

When you start the replay ... ... this happens to burning cars: 1)burn 2)explode 3)burn again 4)explode again (this is what counts for rampages)

... this happens to car wrecks (that haven't yet despawned): they start at 3) immediately

Unfortunately, it is not possible to make a replay where the car is at the end of 3) (=just before exploding a second time).

So the strategy is to have 8 car wrecks around you. As soon as that happens, F3-F1 ; wait 6s or longer ; F2 ; use it in the rampage

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Nice find. :) An improvement is using F2-F3-F1 right before the explosions. That way, when you press F1, the replay starts right before the explosions. The concept is Adam's find, IIRC. Also, how fast you press the combination does not matter.