Final Fantasy XII Forum  /  TZA PC Question
  fhnnhffhnnhf

So I am interested in getting into FF XII PC but I had a question about seitengrat. With an application like shown here: you can track the rng values to time entering the airship on the right frame and then opening the chest on the right frame. Would a tool like this be allowed for the speedrun or is tracking the rng like this disallowed?

 
  seepinglightseepinglight

I’m guessing you can. However the magic route is also fast.

 
  DTG1102DTG1102

anything that reads the memory of the game is not allowed. This is doing that. However you can use an RNG tracker if you use a different method. for example, in OoA we use cures and an rng tracker to find where we are. this is because you could accomplish the same thing just using spread sheets. Since we're using in game ways to track the rng, it's fine. this is more like an outside tool, reading memory. which is obviously different.

 
  fhnnhffhnnhf

PC uses an impossibly high amount of rng seeds compared to console, with frame count and system time choosing from hundreds of thousands of seeds. More importantly, the game makes a new rng seed every time a save file is loaded so even if you use a cure list to find your current rng values, you have to get through town, onto the airship and to the chest while accounting for EVERY NPC on the way. There is really no way to find where you are in the rng without looking at it directly. It might be worth making a seperate category for PC that allows the tool to make for a more interesting experience.

 
  DTG1102DTG1102

I'd suggest going into the discord to make your point. Personally i think it shouldn't be, because you could use it to track any rng. It opens yourself up to cheaters using rng injection and such. It would very difficult to keep on the up and up

 
  kyoslilmonsterkyoslilmonster

I believe the main reason why we don't do Seitengrat/Cheat Engine on PC is the exact reason stated by DTG. Once you have access to tracking RNG on PC like that, it's so easy to alter other things as well, stuff that we wouldn't really be able to verify or trace.

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