Finland@YUMmy_Bacon5 i wasnt aware of the site moderator rules existing, might be a "new" thing (as in like less than 4 years old :D)
Although I personally don't agree with rejecting slow runs for being slow. It's still a valid run. I don't think any runner is going to cheat in a slowrun. Nor are any runners expecting game moderators to watch the entire thing.
also neither i or the quote from the rules you posted say that the runs are rejected for being slow, they are rejected for not attempting to be fast. doesnt matter if it took you 20 hours to get 120 stars as long as your intetion and goal was to "see how fast i can do it". it would be dumb to reject a run for not being fast enough.
unless i misunderstood what you meant with "slow" runs :P
i dont get why you bothered submiting it if you knew it was against the rules, all you did was waste your own and the moderator's time.
"dont take forever" is like an unwritten rule across all of speedrunning. people have been rejecting runs for "not being speedruns" for many years even if it wasnt in the rules. just like "No cheating", its a no brainer.
i dont agree with @NewSchoolBoxer though. if a clear attempt to be fast was made, it is a speedrun and deserves it spot on the boards. however if you just dont try to go fast (you know, pause the game for hours for the purpose of stopping playing it) it shouldnt be on the boards.
tell that to the hello neighbor community.
these are the general site forums
PS2's composite cables aren't supported by the large majority of modern TV's, let alone capture cards.
there are some cheap scalers you can buy to convert component(or other) cables to hdmi. i myself use a "retroscaler 2x" which i got from aliexpress for 40€ in combination with my capturecard.
not sure if you specified composite on purpose but you can also get very cheap component cables, some more modern tvs might support those at least.
if we assume you have a ps3, you can record it through hdmi by buying one of those 10€ aliexpress hdmi capture cards that strip hdcp. and for a ps2, you can get the above mentioned scaler and use it with the 10€ capturecard. i believe drunk kami uses one of those cheap hdmi cards (im not a 100% dont quote me on that :D) and i know tohelot uses one.
People are downplaying the cost, especially considering it might be something you might not even want to do for too long.
"dont think youll be doing it for that long" is exactly should try out the run on emulator. if you like it enough to want to run it more seriously only then should you invest in the equipment, i think.
Other PS2 games allow emulators. I just checked Ratchet and Clank's for example, and they do - with specific requirements. I'm sure if I checked other popular PS2 titles (bar some exceptions) they'd allow emulators most of the time - or just have them in a separate category.
i checked a handful of ps2 games on src (ordered by popularity) and only found dbz budokai to allow emulators for ps2 (i separately checked crash twinsanity too which did allow emu on the leaderboards). funnily enough the sly games allowed ps3 emulation but had no mention of ps2 emulatiton.
The same argument could be applied to SSD's and modded consoles.
installing an ssd to your ps3 is normal imo and modded consoles make the game more accessible while using original hardware, but if you used a mod to make loads faster or something im fairly certain that would be disallowed as its an unfair advantage.
doing a quick search, at least in finland ps2s arent being sold much currently but i was able to find people selling slims for 30-40€ with controller(s) and a couple games. ps3s seem to be more redily avaivable right now and could find those for around 30-50€ too.
i may sound a bit harsh on emu but i wouldnt be mad if it was allowed, im just stating my opinion :P
You do know what financial limitations mean, right? In America, PSN ranges from $18 before tax per month to $160 before tax per year. That doesn't even include the cost of purchasing a PS4 or PS5. That's to run one single game the "optimal" way. And then you're talking about purchasing and modding a PS3 as if everyone has the money, time, or ability to do that either.
not sure what youre talking about. ape escape 3 was only ever released on ps2 and ps3 psn (japan only). you do not need any stupid subscriptions and nowadays you cant even buy ps3 psn games so youll need to mod it and spend 0usd on the game.
Also, you absolutely can just split this game into "disc" and "emulator/USB". It would be under the console. While the USB would act similarly to a burned disc. Klonoa (2008) made this distinction on their runner page. It's a single tab. Allowing more people to participate is in no way a bad thing and does nothing but add members to the community. Gatekeeping is corny.
if you split ape 3 into "disc" and "emulator/usb", where does the most optimal and most played version (PSN) go to? its neither disc nor comparable to emulators or usb loading. "it would be under console" you say but neither "disc" or "emulator/usb" is "console". usb also wouldnt be similiar to burnt disc, usb has load speeds depending on the usb, burnt disc has same loading speed as areal disc.
i also wouldnt call this gate keeping. youre more than welcome to play and run the game however you want, i just do not think there is a reason to have a whole separate board for emulators which for ps2 games have been wildly inaccurate.
not everyone has the knowledge or time required to set all this extra stuff up
come on in the discord! the community is lovely and is more than happy to help answer any and all relevant questions.
ive even put up a how to capture your game and how to mod your ps3 and get the psn version of ape3 on the wiki!
https://apewiki.siontea.com/Capturing
https://apewiki.siontea.com/AE3/PSN
emulator acts as an entry point for people to jump off from and decide if they want to go console in the future
and thats why you can run on it, no need to bother the mods to verify each and every emulator run that can vary greatly with their accuracy. ps2 emulation also requires a decent pc especially if you want to record/stream it.
people are required to get a capture card
incorrect. point your phone at the tv and start playing.
A PS2 is $80 minimum. A loose disc will run you $40
if you pay 80 usd for a ps2, youve been ripped off. cant comment on the disc prices but you can mod your ps2 for free and play a burned disc for free.
you can go to your local fleamarket, pick up a ps2 for like 20usd (power cable is generic and video cables can be bought cheap from like aliexpress), get your hands on a controller (i admit those prices can vary), mod the console, burn a disc and play. your total expense is like 50usd at very max (no controller will cost you 30usd).
thats hilarious
you do know that the most optimal version is PSN, right? you cant just split this game into "disc" and "emulator/usb".
"usb" doesnt even make any sense as a split when you can just burn a disc and itll play identical to an original disc, both require a modded system anyway. modding a ps3 to get the best version is super easy.
again, you can parcitipate in running the game on emulator. you just wont be ranked on the leaderboards. an emulator tab would probably only get like two runs anyways and then go dormant, this isnt a popular game.
the boards could in theory allow emulator and hide them by default, but that would just give more work for the mods.
i dont know if the game has enough activity where allowing emulator with a time restriction makes much sense and its not like the game isnt accessible, you can get a ps2 pretty cheap (like 20€), mod it easily and play on a burned dvd.
if you have a ps3 (any model), modding it is super easy and nowadays required to get the psn (most optimal) version. ps3s can be found kinda cheap too.
nothing is stopping you from learning the game and running on emulator to see if you want to get more serious about it and get a ps2/3. you just wont be listed on the boards.
i believe it is X amount of active runners during the last Y days.
i dont remember what Y is though and this could be outdated info
specific frames? no. if you arent using an autosplitter, there is bound to be human error.
i also can see it being a nice feature but also as a moderator of some more niche games, how would i even explain them?
and im already lazy as is, very likely i wouldnt bother to go through all the games i mod to add in a description.
(was it a shooter, was it a puzzle?)
what could be better than a full on description would maybe just be genre/category tags, like shooter or puzzle. if you could search games based by those it would be cool too if you wanted to pick up a new fps game to run or something.
the pages already have the platform list, there could be another list beneath it for tags.
one community had a "hitler skip" before the name was changed. funny thing is i havent checked in on that game, so thats what i still know the trick as :D
