I kinda expected teleportless to be that initially, but then I see both teleportless and any% all contain exactly the same angry hole runs lmao. Wouldn't a category where you're forced to be actually going through biomes interesting? So maybe it could be ban angry holes and CoD. I guess the best strat is then dropping down through biomes with like a repulsion blackhole, idk if black holes should be banned altogether, probably yes?

Like I was unironically interested just now whats the WR speed of going through noskip like that and I couldn't know 😂

This is a discussion worth having, as this sorta category used to be kind of the old low% but also not quite. I don't actually know what people would like the rules to be for this or if it is even desired for this to exist so I'd appreciate voices for it

Sounds like it would be the return of low% to me, but if we come up with a more strict/detailed ruleset I think it could be a fun category to run. Then again we all agreed to remove the old low% category in the first places idk if anyone else would do runs of it.

Oh I see, I should've actually read through the forums, there was the low% which was closest overlap with what I thought of here.

I saw some messages about "if we change the rules then old low% runs are invalidated or what", so to me it would make sense to just make a new category with new rules - and in this instance definitely not call it low% as there was confusion about having it be "minimal progress" or whatever.

I think "noskip" is kinda what a lot of people are familiar with from nightmare (and normal too) winstreaks and what I wanted to see speedruns for. Although from those same forums I see that the meta there is ldc tp which is kind of almost a skip, so egh.. in spirit of "going through mainpath biomes the normal-ish way" perhaps it could just be teleportless + no EDR digging?. (just realised this is literally dunk powerwords rules) Or some variation thereof

I did a few runs of teleportless + no EDR digging and managed to finish one pretty quickly. A good run could be much faster, but here's what I think a "noskip" run might look like:

I found it surprisingly fun to run tbh. You are forced to think differently than you would with other speedrun categories as all you need is some basic digging, and a boss killer. I'm not sure if things like plasma cutter, lumi drill, and vaccum bounce would be allowed as they can dig EDR, or if the ban should only include black/white holes and matter eater.

My problem, or rather a question is why and what is being restricted/banned exactly. Teleportless + no going around biomes through EDR but digging through main stages still causes the final goal to be angry ghost black hole so remove that + no BH/matter eater probably? Unless you have a better idea

For one, "noskip" makes sense to have restrictions placed on where you aren't allowed to go but not quite why some top tier strategies would be taken out.

It does, however make sense fun wise. To remove some of them as the strats are simply too strong and dominant so the end game is still angry ghost BH but this time through the stages. So I see reason in removing some movement stuff like all forms of tele/BH maybe even matter eater. That would mean it might be better to name it a bit differently though, something along the lines of restricted/noskip+ etc.

I agree that it doesn't make much sense to ban specific strategies just because they are fast, this is speedrunning after all. I honestly think that if "noskip" were to be added as a category it should only require that you exit each zone via the HM portal, and maybe ban long-form teleports (pretty much low%). Then again unless there is more interest in this idea I don't think that adding a new category for it is really necessary.