Okay I'm going to go at scaredrows first post point by point.
First off, plenty of communities have banned things because it's unfair for certain runners, elder scrolls, fallout, etc. It has never split a community. The helmet existing is splitting it right now cause if something isn't done I'm qutting cause it's pure bull shit
The dark beyond helmet has 3 uses of the helmet each use saves literally 2 seconds, you have 6 seconds nobody else can get, EVER. Not some stupid ass .8 seconds. That run is impossible to beat now, the best run I have is a 3:06 and I spent a few hours on it.
You say it's not to remove times from the main leaderboard, they'll still have their own leaderboard and they migtht eventually be merged, but right now the main thing new runners see is they can no longer run certain missions I.E. literally any sparrow mission because they had to be playing back in December
THAT POINT IS LITERALLY THE DUMBEST SHIT IVE EVER READ, NOBODY CAN GET IT UNLESS SRL IS BROUGHT BACK AND THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BRING THE PERK BACK. Also I'd have to wait 5 months, FIVE FUCKING MONTHS TO RUN THIS GAME AGAIN! Like what??!?! How is that remotely fair? I've spent more time in IL's than probably anybody else. And now I can't run them because you want to have an unfiar advantage?
There are 3 gears that are basically required for speedruns, gally for 3 mission, hard light for 3 missions, and celest for 5 missions. You can get a rare upgraded sparrow which is just as fast as the SR1 as fizh has proven. So the gear argument is pure bullshit to try to save your unfair advantage
Again some communities ban the fastest stuff so it's a fair playing ground for everyone You'll still have your own leaderboard, like what's the point of running if you have no competiton? Sounds to me like you just want to records to yourself with no hassle from anyone else
Nobody is splitting from the community, over not having the helmet if you quit because you can't use the helmet for the main leaderboard it just goes back to the whole, "I want free world records that nobody can try to contest"
There is no level that has anywhere near 15 seconds of time save due to the sparrow it's 4 at the highest oddly enough your helmet can save more time on more mission hmm how convient for you.
Stop with the .95 second sure it spawns .95 seconds faster, you also gain the advtange of moving for that .95 second, it's 2 seconds because of the movement gained as well. Think of it like being stopped in traffic after going 60 on the highway you stopped for one minute but you lost 2 minutes of time because you could've been moving that whole minute as well
Anyways hope all that makes sense, your points are bull shit trying to save an unfair advantage so you can keep uncontested free world records
First, it's ScaRdrow. Then you are just complaining about it because you don't have SRL gear and you are salty about it.
You could just take someone else account who has SRL Gear but no you want to get those easy 1st places by denying my runs Saying that I gain 6second out of that is delusional.
The dark beyond Run had a really bad time with the wrong Sparrow and wrong Strat, so obviously I was able to get that time difference. (Which is 10Seconds not 15, maths are not your thing) I could get 3:00 without the helmet and 2:55 with another strat without helmet but I get it, you don't want to search new strat or be faster you just want to remove all my World Records so YOU can be on all of them.
The "movement" thing with the 0.950 is true but it doesn't give you 2 seconds, 1.0 to 1.5 maximum, and like I said the only real time the fast enter is usefull on that run is the beginning, the others times you can easily lose NO TIMES if you just pre spawn the sparrow. After the 3rd ship is the same, especially if you use a low sens. Pre Spawning and turning is the same time as popping the sparrow and turning it, you can even get stuck on the rocks because the direction is really weird when you do it
All of my records can be beaten without the helmet.
What I want is having fun Speedrunning with the fastest gear possible, what you are doing is denying all my runs just because of a 1 seconds gear.
Please don't compare a big Speedrun Community to Destiny's I can count the numbers of Missions Speedrunners on the fingers of my hand
Stop being salty like that, if you want to run with the helmet just get a friend account.
Okay so now everytime I run I have to go to someone else and be like hey man hope you're not playing Destiny at all today because I'm going to do some runs bro. Stop playing the victim card it's unfair and you know it is.
You gain time everytime you use it that mission requires 3 uses it's literally about 6 seconds. Sorry to break it to you. i also used faster strats in my 3:06. Also my argument was there is no time anywhere near 15 seconds slower compaired to old sparrows, which you used as an argument, seems like math and memorization isn't your strong point bro. Also I don't even own the Dark Beyond record lmao so I'm not even looking out my just my times Jxson is a new runner, I talked to him and even said your helmet is unfair.
Prove that go get a 3:00 even or better that legendary 2:55 you're claiming without the helmet. Do it, prove me wrong. And even when you prove me wrong do the same strats with the helmet and get a 2:50 to prove me right.
What is that argument I have to pre spawn my sparrow? Like what??? So I have to have my ghost out can't really move or do anything to gain distance and pre spawn? Umm good one dude, no time loss indeed OpieOP. Regardless you said you would be for the ban if it was around 2 seconds or more and you just confirmed that it can save 4.5 seconds in the Dark Beyond alone. With your own math.
Why are you salty about this? You will have your own leaderboard you can run on! Literally if the helmet comes out again I will probably stop doing front page leaderboard runs cause I'm the same mind set I'd rather use the faster gear. The thing is nobody else can run those so why have it as out main page? It pushes new runners away, Clever has been going hard on Reddit trying to grow this community and it's working considering new runners randomly show up all the time now.
If something like my matador 64 was too broken, and I actually used it in a run to save one second, just ONE. I would stop using it and deny all of my runs because it's no longer obtainable by anyone. Why is it so hard to give this up? Also Clever uses the helmet in every single coop run I am prepared to remove every run I have with Clever because they're unfair to any coop runners. That's literally a whole full game run, along with like 15 records. I have no qualms moving my times to an SRL leaderboard. When times are so optimized as they're getting even 1 second from an unfair helmet is impossible to beat.
I don't care for the records all I care about is being competitive and this helmet ruins the idea of speedrunning Destiny because I have no edge.
It sickens me that runners and even mods, think it's ok to use UNFAIR gear.
"I want to prioritize time-save over fairness"
Translated¤ "I don't want runs to be fair"
Like are you serious?? Are you actually legitimately serious?? I'm sure you can muster up enough brainpower to realize how stupid your statement was. Stay Classy Bro
Seriously guys this helmet issue is getting way out of hand we're keeping the leaderboards the way they are except with the new gear variable which separates the times in the one leaderboard itself. If you only want to see times without SRL you can click on the filter button in the leaderboard and click NO SRL and then you will only see times that didn't use the helmet. This decision stands because we don't need to clutter the page with more unnecessary sub categories.
