Can runs be played on https://suikagame.com/ ? If not, can a category for that be created?

With the announcement of the recent contest I decided to create a public leaderboard for it, that I will be updating once every few days. It's a good way to see which categories are empty to score some easy points :^ ) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bRuCIAHYKhFuU5i5iTZZXNI2WrHtv7xGeNu8ozwk-lA/edit?usp=sharing

With the newest patch drop I realise how really important it is for this leaderboards categories to be set in stone as early as possible. And since it has been here for quite some time I have a number of thoughts that I would really ask all of you to consider and share your own to help shape the look of the board for the final time.

First things first: the expansion pack. I never would've expected for there to be such small interest in the expansion pack categories. Looking at the amazing competition that standard pack has gotten it really does suprise me that nearly noone is interested in the, basically, free real estate that is the expansion pack category. Now it's not going to be deleted or altered obviously, it's just as valid as standard pack, but it does feed into my next point regarding...

Double Arena Win category, and multi-win categories in general. The main issue with SAP speedrunning is obviously the RNG nature of the game and the necessity of hard grinding, which is unideal. One clear way to ammend that is to have a category that reward consistent play and being able to bring 10 wins on command. Now the current Double Arena Win category was ment to be that, but it was a poor attempt as I explained, the expansion pack is not very popular.

But the thing is, that I don't think it's even too bad of an idea. Besides Double Arena Win being a multi-run category it also rewards expertise in both of the animal pack, which I think is really cool.

But besides that, if we were to implement a proper multi-win category with the standard/expansion dichotomy, what should it be? Just X runs in a row? What number? It should be high enough for the category to trulry reward ability to win on command. (and make note how that will only count for runs 2 and onwards cause the first one can still be grinded). But also it should be low enough to be feasible to do. Would 3 be too hard, would 2 be too low? (just 1 on-demand arena win)

I saw someone do a run of getting X amount of points, which would make the run possible to do for everyone while still rewarding consistently getting high wins. But it would be a nuisance to have to keep track of the points. Or would it? We could make it so you have to show the count before and after the run to verify, though it would still be a nuisance for the runner during the run to keep track of how many they need to complete the run. Also, what should be the amount?

Are there other goals that aren't too arbitrary that would aid in rewarding consistency in a run?

What should happen to the Double Arena Win category, is it ok to leave as is?

All of these questions need to be considered if we are to decide how to move forward with this leaderboard. I know this is a lot, but I hope I wasn't too rambly and was able to express my concerns and thoughts on this matter. I hugely, hugely encourage you all to share your thoughts on these topics. They will be the things that will decide what ends up happening.

I am happy to hereby announce the Papa Louie Speedrunning World Championship 2021! A community-wide tournament for the end of the year to answer the final question of who is the best PL speedrunner in the world. The winner of the tournament will receive an honorary prize of 10USD and a discord role forever solidifying their achievement.

Registrations are open at https://challonge.com/wwopoe52. The tournament begins in 7 days. Make sure to read the entire rules. If you have any questions direct them to the #community-tournaments channel.

You need to be a member of the community discord in order to participate.

Please do not hesitate to mention your thoughts regarding any aspect of this board here. I am a very active moderator and will take everything into account to try and improve our speedrunning experience.

The shitty song that plays during the game samples "Ice Ice Baby" by Vanilla Ice!

I hate both so much but at least I found it now.

What the fuck is happening with this board, mods, care to explain anything? I'm not complaining I'm just confused about what is going on.

For a longer time the topic of implementing miliseconds onto the board has been hanging around. It most certainly make sense considering the massive amount of tied runs especially in the 10 Lines categories. The main detraction was always that it would just take too much effort, since the first time the topic came up, there were already hundreds of runs on the board. Enough time has passed now and at this point a compromise has been decided that the top 10 runs at any time, in all cats, will be given milisecond tiebreakers. (as well as runs with the same seconds as any of the top 10 runs, meaning that often it will be a bit more than that.) These will be also retracted once a run leaves the top 10 and tied as to not mix the runs with and without miliseconds. Consider it as a badge of elite status for a run. (even though for some categories every single one has it)

Mobile has always been kinda awkward with how to go about it, for the longest time it was just that once a few people would request a cat it would be added but that seemingly didn't work. Only more recently once enough people gathered up in the discord and got each other interested in mobile 40 Lines did a category get added.

So to end it all at once I thought that the mobile controls of "Smart" and "Swipe" could just be added to all of the current categories and they would exist as mobile counterparts to Keyboard and Mouse in all cats. All of the current mobile runs would just be resubmitted in their proper places and the current miscallenous mobile categories would be deleted.

This thread is just to in general ask, what does everyone think about this solution.

Yet another renovation have been put in place.

Main changes include:

• Splitting Story Mode and Survival 90,000m into separate miscallenous categories.
• Adding the Flash Glitchless/Glitched distinction with the explanation of the starting glitch and the proper rules.
• Few miscallenous rule wordings fixed to clear up misunderstandings

As always I encourage anyone to look through these with as pedantic of an eye as possible and mention in this thread any mistakes they may find as there are bound to be some with all that copying and pasting.

Let's hope this is the last major renovation to be done on this board, and happy running!

I'm going to be running the 18 Holes category of this game in the Revival of Flash speedrun marathon.

Right now the date of it, all of the fine details and a time of my run have not been decided so I will post an update here when they will be.

There does exist a dedicated discord server for speedrunning Jacksmith, if you wish to be able to talk with other runners of the game this is the place to join.

https://discord.com/invite/8BrMwA4

Hi ummm, it's done now. After all that time I've finally got to making the renovation and now they are mostly done now. Here are the changes: With Quest Skips/Without Quest Skips subcategories have been removed. Skipping quests simply is not a crucial enough part of any of the categories that it makes sense to create a whole new subcategory prohibiting it. Steam/Flash/Mobile subcategories have been introduced. The full Steam release and the flash version do have enough differences that I believe it makes sense to break them down like that, and of course playing the game on an ipad or a tablet device is a wholly different experience as well, thus this decision. Miliseconds have been removed. All of the runs are very long, I don't know why there were turned on in the first place. I guess in New Game+ cats they might matter but let's leave them off for now.

And that's it. As always, any feedback is appreciated, and hopefully you can at least see why I made all the decisions that I did. Have fun running the game!

P.S: not everything has all of the proper rules yet but they'll come soon enough.

Today a new discord server has been opened specifically for speedrunners of Tetris (Web). If anybody wishes to talk or ask questions pertaining to the game, the leaderboards, or talk to the mods about anything, that is the place to go. The link to the server is: https://discord.gg/dHRf2Ps (it can also be found in the sidebar of the board)

Here are the details of every glitch/exploit ban in the No Major Abuses category.

• Checkpoint exploits: Save & Quit, where you exit a level during the animation of pulling the lever at the end in order to have the checkpoint be saved, is not allowed. Exiting a level through the options menu or intentionally dying in it in order to re-enter the same level to a checkpoint to switch characters or skip a part of the level is not allowed. You may also not get around this by quitting one level, going into another one, at some point exiting that one and coming back to the first one to do the exploit.

• The Kill All Enemies glitch: Performing the KAE glitch is not allowed.

• Major terrain skips: Ballon skip in 5, Laddish skips in 7 and 8, Radish skip, Absurd skip, Jack jump in 8 and the Saucer skip in 8 are all not allowed. Performing any of them by a mistake can be forgiven if the player returns to the spot before they did the trick, and continue through the level normally.

• Major damage boosts: Lark boost in 3, Lark boost in 5, Bacon bonk in 7, Laddish boosts in 7 and 8 and the Burger boost in 8 are all not allowed. Performing any of them by a mistake can be forgiven if the player returns to the spot before they did the trick, and continue through the level normally.

• Sarge skips: Sliding or Ground Pounding on Sarge to instantly kill him, or skipping the fight entirely, is not allowed.

• Radley skips: Stacking mustard rockets, Sliding, Ground Pounding or abusing Boomer's weapon on a dazed Radley Madish during the third part of the boss fight to instantly kill him, or skipping the fight entirely, is not allowed.

• Bacobar clips: Attacking right before stomping on a Bacobar/Bacoburn, or getting knockbacked in between a Bacobar and a wall in order to clip behind him, is not allowed.

• Floor clips: Clipping through thin floors is not allowed. Performing them by a mistake can be forgiven if the player returns to the spot before they clipped, and continue through the level normally.

• Crawl Clips: Using Crawl characters to clip through the floor is not allowed. Doing so by mistake can be forgiven if the player returns to the spot before the clip, and continue through the level normally.

• Cracker Block exploits: Breaking cracker blocks with a Ground Pound character in an unintended way is not allowed. This includes breaking the cracker blocks sideways and "by proximity".

• Obtaining warp keys with unintended characters: Obtaining Warp Keys without using a character with the intended skill for it is not allowed. Example: using Scooter to rescue Kahuna in 3.

• Ladder OOB: Performing Ladder OOB to aid in obtaining Warp Keys 4 or 6 in lv 8, is not allowed.

If this still doesn't clear up something you were wondering about I direct you to the community's discord to ask in the PL2 channel.

I've recently heard that any future new flash game suggestions for the site will be immediately rejected regardless of quality. And I wanted to ask if it is true, and if so, why? While flash games are known for their poor quality, due to the majority of them being very bad, there do exist many that are really good, and have great speedrun potential. So rejecting all just because of some being improper doesn't seem like the right answer. Is it because of flash being discontinued soon? Because ways to work around this (standalone Flash, BlueMaxima's Flashpoint) do exist, and are already widely used amongst many flash game speedrunning communities. So that also doesn't seem like a fitting reason.

Are new flash games really not going to be added to the site anymore? And if, then why so? I would greatly appreciate any answers to this.

This thread is ment to be a place for everyone to suggest new category additions to the leaderboard, as well as any talk relating to those.

Any suggestions that will gather 4 or more people willing to run it, will be added to the board.

Today I've added a paragraph in the mouse categories allowing the use of a singular keyboard key for the hold function instead of doing it with the right mouse button.

I understand why some of you might not like this change, and I personally don't really like it as well, but there's a good reason for it. There really is no reliable way to verify whether or not a runner uses a keyboard at all during mouse runs, due to there not being a function to disable those. The only sure solution would be to require every mouse runner to film their entire setup, which would furtherly turn off anyone from running those categories.

Due to that, while I do not think it matches well with the spirit of the category, I did allow the use of the keyboard for holding.

If anybody has further thoughts on this subject, please do not hesitate to mention them in this thread.

Changes all around to every facet of the leaderboard.

Categories: Any% will just focus on the 8 main levels, the Limited version will still be present. But the Challenges are a problem. They aren't a part of the main game and therefore are not a part of Any%, but having an entirely separate category that is just Any% + Challenges doesn't feel very fitting since that and Any% will be almost identical. I do not know how to resolve this. Please do speak up and tell me you own opinion on how this should be handled. Whether there should be a 100% category that is almost identical to Any% or whether such category should be miscellaneous or if only Challenges could be a category. Any thoughts are welcome.

Rules: I am going to rewrite the rules to IL's and Full-game categories to make them more clear in their intent, especially Limited.

Runs: I have deleted all of my runs leaving only 1 run of afnannen. I am going to submit runs with times better than those deleted ones.

IL's: Challenge IL's added, any future IL submissions will be submitted with miliseconds. The timing method changed to start the time upon clicking the level icon instead of the "start game" in the main menu. That one afnannen run was retimed to reflect that.

Please do not hesitate to mention any ideas, complaints, questions and comments you might have about those changes. I want to make this leaderboard the best it can be, and leaving feedback is the best way to make that happen.

Thank you for taking your time to read the aformentioned changes.

It has been decided that mobile runs will be present on the leaderboard as miscellaneous categories, and new ones are going to get added when runs are submitted to them. If you want to run a mobile category that doesn't exist yet like 100 Lines (Mobile), submit your run in this thread, and it'll get added.