Manitoba, CanadaTim I think you have a complete misunderstanding of what igt is. Igt difference to RTA will always drift due to different reasons loads are never consistent ever maybe in one run some of the kh3 data was cached while in others it wasn't.
In your examples of why you hate igt is actually reasons to hate rta. Man wouldn't it suck if you lose RTA because one of the larger loads was cached because of one reason or another? I'm not sure I understand that of course the RTA igt will differ purely due to loads the thing we want is that time spent in the actual game with areas of input are timed.
On the 0.2 pro vs standard sonicshadowsilver2 has a video on his YouTube that compares the at the time pro vs standard wr and right out the gate you can see aqua cartwheels faster on pro due to consistent 60fps I'd say that's the next thing to test might be worth having a pro user and a standard user roll in dive to the heart selection rooms and see if that holds true for this game
Shot locks do seem to still act weird on standard systems other runners myself included can't get 2 fullshots on toy King I need to get a run to not soft lock and I'll try the new toy gear shot lock Strat see if it's possible or not
I had the same thing, killed the hearless broke the heartless they die to thunder but dont progress it....
For some Things you can see from other games.
About Retry menu counting - In celeste IGT pauses during the level select screens This is considered fine becuase losing time to the cutscene and the menuing should not factor in. in KH3 Dying is allready a huge punishment even though you can in theory walk away during the retry screen. You can either ban idling on that screen for more then X amount of time, or be fine with people doing that.
About Continue Reseting the time - The only way to do this is consider runs not valid for IGT runs if continue is used. Thankfully the ONLY instance where continue is forced is on dying to none forced encounters.
About Pausing when opening/closing the menu - To use celeste as another example since its the hot speedgame of 2018/19 Activivating dashes actually pauses the IGT for .03 seconds i dont remember why but thats a thing it does. .
Obviously there is the downside of not being able to watch final scenes and credits after a run but I think it is a fairly small negative to keep all Hard drive types alive
As a reminder Consoles should STILL be seperate since 60fps consoles (1x and pro) are actually quite different gameplay wise to Ps4fat/slim/xbone/S The 30fps consoles roll slower and preform less shotlocks per bar (cause somehow shotlock is tied to fps)
we could grab an extra alonite in TT the one on the roof and use it later to upgrade happy gear or Fav Deputy once to get a bonus strength.
I mean Tim if you refuse to read any of the testing people have done in the last week on IGT then maybe you shouldn't jump in on that part of the discussion especially if you refuse to see it as a new game?
sorry but all signs point to accuracy.... if you would like i can go over the pros and cons.
Primary reason igt is so innacurate for kh1.5 2.5 is because IGT in older games is based on essentially a frame count in the system. for modern systems they count igt using either a system clock or a similar timer in the game that doesn't move/read during loads and out of the file areas (like in kh3 it seems to pause on the retry menu but NOT inside of the prepare sub menu) so this TECHNICALLY can be seen as an "advantage" but honestly you died. your run lost time redoing the future part
the MAJOR issue and the ONLY one i can see is dying outside of forced encounters does NOT trigger retry and DOES reset IGT this would mean deaths outside of forced fights/bosses would be a run ender. This isnt UNHEARD OF in modern games but it is one of the few downsides.
The other noted downsides is you can not say let the credits roll after killing xehanort, thankfully this game has a bit of a moment when you deal the last blow where you go through the trinity revive scene where you can have that pop off but no watching the credits after a sick WR. still these two downsides are HEAVILY countered by the game becoming more competative without forcing people to buy pros and honestly if you arent in favour of IGT to bring systems in closer parody then you should also be perfectly fine with DLC keyblades being in any%. I mean competative people will always want to spend tons of money right?
I beleive Jhobz and others on twitter went through a more extensive listing of up and downsides recently.
poping this routing idea from pestilent today
toystory first go until the save point before the boss leave go beat carona then beat toystory boss so you have mirage staff and all the bonus' from carona makes the boss melt this might also make cutting one alorite from the route early and skip leveling star seeker
yeah i think doll is before Fire really picks up steam (unless we go back to KoC first)
Papapoli, if ANYTHING is staggered by blaster blaze then it cant expire ever (or be cacnelled) so nice find might be REALLY useful for level 1 depends on what the dps is like versus regular strats
abra your face is how i feel....
i wonder how much it does on beginner level 1
Extension catagory/misc catagories ideas
All Lucky Emblems
Battlegate RTA (level 1 and level 99 varients)
Gummiphone 100 Percent? or i guess this is just JJ 100 percent for this game so main catagory
Level 1/no keyblade forge/level 1 magic/no equipment ? aka Low Percent?
Classic Kingdom RTA
Thoughts on the "you have to buy a pc to record so you must buy a ps4pro to compete" After having a bit of a heated discussion in Ninten's chat. I wrote this. This also includes some ranting about apparently some people think ps4 broadcasting is... not legit? something about time on screen being different????
Im going to attempt here to do this argument with logic on why consoles need to be split because of how heated i was earlier
I purchased a PS4 to play Persona 5 and the kingdom hearts series with the intention to buy and speedrun kh3. I did not purchase a pro due to the upwards of 300 dollar difference. KH3 and kh0.2 both run at different speeds and in fact shot locks act differently on 60fps. These changes alone should be enough to separate the boards.
The argument against Live broadcasts via the share button on ps4 to twitch tv is absolutely insane. ive never once seen my vods come out as different times then my livesplit i have running on my PC which i then upload those splits to splits.io
The other argument that well you spent money on your PC to run livesplit has to be actually intentionally gate keeping as there is no other reason you could have such a silly arguement. if you are a speedrunner you have a PC new or old, why? because of twitch.tv the 1 or 2 people who somehow dont have a PC but also wish to speedrun, probably have a phone... there are many phone timers you run im sure ONE OF THEM allows you to upload results infact i think there is a livesplit that works on phones
The runs are not comparable at all unless a load remover is developed and trying to compare a game of this length will stifle the communities growth people will naturally compare runners to the WR regardless of if its a fair comparison or not.
Also implying that because PS4 broadcasts can have skips in vods is a reason to invalidate any runs not on a capture card is actually one of the strangest things ive read on the internet.
also yeah okay the broadcast time might drift but i didnt realize real life drifted and time got lost thats weird i didnt realize i couldnt time the video or use an external timer....
Sarah for 300 crabs the best strat is to get a bunch on the way to the jail then there is like 100 crabs in a mob fight by the jail if you get 300/300 crabs the game auto saves and you can suicide there to warp to the ship
the best way to fix that peck is to load the game get to the first cutscenes soft reset (hold l1r1 start) this should reduce the first load... but thats about it
I would prefer the split even on the basis of load times. not just the shot locks and litterally faster movement because of the frame rate.
this might be a "dead" game because of ps4 but its still a game id recommend to people to learn to speedrun but its not deniable that people feel intimidated when to post a good time on the leaderboard you need to purchase a high end system.
id say it depends on where we land with DLC if its outright banned(since like that gets weird cross console)
Also could we have the leaderboards have igt and rta submission making IGT option if we stick with RTA due to tradition?
Level 1 Beginner adding notes as i finish routing sessions.
ROCKTITAN lots of talk about fire spam on different fights but for any stationary enemy or boss you should spam water in melee you can melt rock titans feet with one bar of magic each. its actually kind of silly how much it hits
Is storm titan just a slow fight or am i missing something?
2 Ragnarocks should expose the core fully allowing for full damage on demon tide.
That mega elixer posted above is not avalible without a revist so most likely not worth it unless there is a point where going back for it is faster then just fighting.
Can we please add a level 1 sub category for all difficulties, currently routing out level 1 beginner and its actually somewhat enjoyable unlike the reports ive heard about level 1 proud, Currently routed the first 2 worlds and will report back sunday once i hopefully do the rest of the routing (work then family engagements friday and saturday)
Also on kHfreaks point about all worlds, Nomura had explicitly stated there would NOT be new worlds any content updates will be additional content in existing worlds or additional post game content.
Also im going to make the same argument i made in 02, start time should be on hitting continue on the first load completing NOT on settings. Its not as important here but its kind of annoying you need to start the game let it load then soft reset and load the game again to actually start a run.
Pro split Pro Misc
The arguement being that yea no RNG manip for this game is kind of a meme category in the same way say uhh like Nemesis percent in FFX is. lots of people run it, lots enjoy it but ultimatly it isnt really a "pure" speedrun.
And Tyler the race point has been brought up a bunch. if people didnt care about the catagories being split why do people seem to only race the No RNG manip run?
