@F3rrs that saves much more time and abuses player hitboxes instead of map hitboxes (which, if counting item noclip as a glitch, would also be considered a glitch)

@GalacticSR "It would ruin a lot of runs; It would be super op" Thats the way new strategies work. Using wrench from top floor saves a few seconds and isn't at all controversial or 'run ruining'. "It would most likely start huge beef" The people who'll cry about a 4 second time save can keep crying. It really isn't a big deal and wont even affect much. I'm fine with counting this as a glitch, but you're presenting a strong opinion with weak arguments

In the mall glitch record, after obtaining white, the world record exits by hitting the hitbox in the arcade- would this be considered a glitch? It doesn't really fall on any definite grounds and kol, the wr holder, isnt sure himself.

@Elims tragic

ok can we archive thread now

This debate is dumb. Using the proven mathematical formula p!/s!(p-s)! where p is the number of possible spawns and s is the number of items that actually spawn, we get the formula 3!/2!1! which equals 3 possible spawns. The argument that getting one coin perfect happens 100% of the time is foolish since that is a given considering the number of coins that spawn; if there were 2 coins and 5 spawns, this argument would be redundant. Considering that the code in similar cases doesn't guarantee perfect spawns, we can assume it remains the same here. TL;DR: if you think the chance of perfect coins is 1/2, then you're stupid, bad at math, and I dislike you.

i wasnt there pagman

i wasnt here pagman

this whole post is about a potential new timing "idea"

@zir0nic no, im just suggesting a new timing system. intermission is slightly unfair due to

1. loading times between different computers
2. some people not having skip intermission because of chinese piggy or using other people's vips
3. intermission glitches which nobody can really control this new timing system idea would take out the time lost in intermission because multiple uncontrollable factors cause these segments to differ.

@LOLZA yes because of the reasons listed above, not sure if cutscenes should be counted tho

@GalacticSR all chapter is such a dead category that it would barely affect the endtimes anyways. We could also retime the all chapters already submitted, althought idk if the mods want to do that

Also this is the forum that inspired this idea https://www.speedrun.com/piggy/thread/mnkef

I saw a forum about how there should be different all chap categories due to some people not having to skip intermission. In all honestly, this isn't the best idea, but I get the point. This why I believe all chapters should be timed via in-game time, as people may lose time to lag or the many intermission glitches this broken game has. Is this a good idea? Leave your opinions and thoughts in this form.

isnt there already a list? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_89buCFvkYOqqaoSqsmLKnX-VGvv2r2VP_sCrlhH-c4/edit

i thought this was an existential question but then i realized it was about all chapter

you submitted it wrong lmao, he probably verified it as a meme

team energy useful for squads tho

it doesnt even have to be its own category it can just be a filter