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SupporterPrecisely, it's a way of preventing runners from submitting to this category as full stealth isn't possible, as the heist automatically goes loud the second you spawn.
October -> now was the "Chronicles of Nasuper" chapter of SRC
That is a valid issue! I'll get on fixing that right now! :P
EDIT: Fixed :D
Lovely to see this entire charade is still going on.
Nasuper, i've asked you to stop - multiple times, especially after you've been proven wrong, time and time again. Irokwe and Zombie's videos above prove you wrong, yet you haven't even shown a desire to consider the possibility that you are wrong. This behaviour is - if not already - harassing behaviour towards myself, and I'd very much like you to stop.
Hey heisters!
Just wanted to put out an announcement regarding our newest moderator - haracookie! Following his indepth testing of the IGT issues, as well as being a helping hand for new runners, we felt this appointment was justified.
Keep those helmets flying!
No worries about asking! We're here to help! :)
A complete mission is when you escape, whether that takes 5 bags or 2 bags - your final time is dependant on when you "escape".
In regards to "reset strat", that is allowed for the time being until we find out what starbreeze aims to do about people "abusing preset rng restarts". As, at this moment in time, we don't know what they're aiming to do :)
You may submit now :D - a few hours here or there before oct 5th local or not won't make too much difference, the oct 5th lock was just so we could get things up and running, which... hopefully... everything should be setup correctly :D
Hello heisters,
Thought it'd be wise to take a moment to discuss the current leaderboard layout/decisions taken regarding certain rules, as a way of being entirely transparent on the matter of possible future steps!
Rules:
The biggest rule decision, arguably, is the decision to use IGT (In-Game Time) despite the timer being broken via server related issues. The reason this decision was taken, was due to the fact that each option had pros/cons, and we felt that using IGT provided the most ease of access, whilst reducing the cons as much as possible.
The options that were available to us were as follows:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Use IGT.
Pros: Makes runs easier for runners to submit as the timer is provided "out of the box" and, mostly, works
Cons:
Is slightly inconsistent depending on the current server status/a runners internet connection to the server
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Use RTA.
Pros:
Would be a more reliable time method than IGT as it'd be 100% consistent
Cons:
Would impart a larger burden on runners to add a real time clock to their run via video editing (of which console runners may not have access to)
Opens the door to runners abusing the clock by slightly speeding up their run by a small percent (1-2%) which would be nigh impossible to tell for verification purposes
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Use a mod to fix IGT.
Pros:
Fixed IGT - obviously.
Cons:
Console runners wouldn't have access to this mod
Vastly complicates the barrier to entry for a new runner
Possible tampering of the mod as a cheating method
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Another rule decision worth discussing, was the banning of private servers. The reason for this was due to the fact that private servers are 1) accessible only by pc players, creating a divide between console/pc runs, and 2) private servers provide an unfair advantage in some cases - such as pagers triggering upon guard death almost immediately, compared to the usual 5-7 second (or so) wait a normal server runner would experience.
The rules regarding mods were also written due to similar reasonings as the aforementioned rule decisions, creating a divide between pc/console runners as well as opening the door to risk of cheating within runs, as mods can functionally be anything - from mere asset replacements, to skill tree/skill effect modification. A mod that makes "rush" provide a 12% movement speed bonus over the base game 10% would be incredibly hard to notice from mere eye-review.
Future leaderboard steps:
As with every leaderboard, nothing is ever set in stone - and things are always subject to change depending on what the community wants or desires. We've personally seen some really good suggestions for categories, such as:
- Maskless%
- Full Stealth
- Full Loud
- All loot
- Asset-less
- Random Seed
We hear the demand for such categories, and feel that these categories would be more suited to a category extensions type of page - in an effort to maintain the simplistic choices of the main leaderboards for new runners to not be overwhelmed by too many choices. The category extension leaderboard shall be coming soon (TM).
Some of the aforementioned categories would also only be possible on some heists rather than all heists, which is complicated to do with speedrun.com's leaderboard settings. For example, "Maskless%" is impossible for 'Road Rage' as the game automatically forces you to mask up - however - speedrun.com's leaderboard settings would mean every individual level (even Road Rage) would have this category applied to them.
Another point of discussion was the decision about the seperation of PC/Console runners in order to provide each runner a leaderboard without feeling pressure from the other type of runner. Ultimately we decided against this as with co-op runs being possible cross-platform, it'd result in categories sometimes having PC/Console split, whilst others not having that split, which may be confusing for new runners. HOWEVER, runs can be filtered based on the platform it was performed on, allowing console runners to compare runs with other console runners.
Once again, leaderboards can always be changed - nothing is set in stone completely. So we can change things if the community need or desire arises. This post was meant to ensure clarity for why decisions were taken the way they were, and we hope you can appreciate our reasonings for these decisions.
If you have any questions about either the rules, or the next steps of the leaderboards, we're more than happy to answer - either here, or in the discord server: here.
Your guys' suggestions are great ideas, and we hear you. Levi and I feel most of these suggestions would be more greatly felt across on a category extensions type page, rather than the main page. Adding all these categories to the main page would become rather unwieldy and cumbersome from a visual point of view, and would serve to overwhelm new runners with too many choices when they first view the leaderboards. However, as I said, these suggestions will likely come in the form of a category extensions page within a few weeks! <3
We understand your frustrations, and i hope you understand we didn't make this decision lightly. The reason we leaned towards this rule is to help improve competitive integrity between different runners, especially across PC/Console platforms - as for example - a custom FOV mod would allow players to gather more visual information than a player without a custom FOV mod.
With the current state of modding being up in the air until starbreeze writes up their modding policy - we will continue to monitor the situation regarding mods and refine this rule as more time passes. Remember, rules can always be tweaked down the line! :)
Leaderboards are now in active construction - remember your hardhats folks!
Pay no mind to the layout/rules as of this exact moment in time, as they are purely provisionary. A full announcement will be made once all is finalised, as well as stating future plans - including some category suggestions y'all have provided! :)
Hello heisters!
The Payday 3 Leaderboard is currently planned to be locked until the 5th of October (2 weeks post-launch). This means you will not be able to submit any runs to the leaderboard until this grace period has ended.
The reasons for locking the leaderboard are rather simple:
1. Allows runners (and moderators) the chance to familiarise themselves with the game properly, and provide a stress free environment to enjoy the game for a short while post-release. 2. Allows the moderators to overcome some degree of teething pains that come with creating new categories and generalised rulesets, such as how runs should be timed.
We hope you understand, and greatly appreciate your patience!
And remember, keep those helmets popping ;)
- Pizza
Like Feast said, shovelling huge chunks of time into something to "be the best" can have incredibly toxic traits. Those 30 hours i spent, were from about 9pm -> 4am, while i was meant to be revising for my exams at school. Aswell as some other sessions earlier on in the day, ofcourse, resulting in me not eating evening meals because... "What if i get THE run.". It was borderline an addiction, to be "the best".
In my recent reservoir dogs run, even with RNG modifier it took me over 4 hours to get a run which i was happy with. Not even a perfect run. Even with RNG modifier, it still takes a serious amount of time dedication for a single run. I remember, before we allowed RNG manipulation, i spent over 30 hours on breakin' Feds, trying to get a decent time. 30 HOURS... all over the course of a week and a half. RNG modifier was necessary, to protect the lives of runners, and to allow newer runners to enter the community while maintaining a system of skill + time over yolo runs.
Runs which tie a current world record shouldn't notify every follower of that game with "X WR has been beaten by Y with a time of Z". It should say, "X WR has been tied by Y with a time of Z". Just a little nitpick heh.
Yes, it will be done when it's done, so don't stress over it.
Yes, i have, actually. All of have. There have been periods of time for over a month or 2 for a run to get verified, purely because the moderators are busy. Nothing can be done about it, except just needing to wait.
