Hello People,

In this thread i'll be addressing some of the changes the leaderboard got recently and also some upcoming ruleset update. Keep in mind that all of the future adaptations are to aim for the game to be 100% fair for everyone in terms of Speedrunning.

TIME W/O LOADS ADDED

The Time w/o Loads was added (in 03/14/2019) as the main timing method, this being because 99% of the leaderboard is made out of emulator runs and some of them using PSXJin 2.0.2 that provides fast loadings (even faster than console), it's a great emulator, however, major loading time differences may occurr between runners and it's also minimally affected by the PC Specs, even if your configuration is the same as another runner. With that being said, time w/o loads are required from now on. I will be providing a Load Remover on the "Guides" section within 24 hours, with this tool you will be able to remove your loads automatically w/o having to go through a frame-by-frame analisys or making any kind of manual stuff, still, if a runner prefer to remove manually then do it. Any run submitted without "Time w/o Loads" will take a lot more time to be approved. To conclude, submitting with "Time w/o Loads" is not mandatory, but strongly recommended, it's necessary to have it so we can keep everything together, instead of splitting emulator and console into different subcategories and having to find a consistent form of emulation, this would create a huge mess, so time w/o loads is an alternative to simplify everything.

RUNS WITHOUT AUDIO

It's commonly known that runs w/o audio looks pretty suspicious, but recently came to my knowledge that turning off the game sound via emulator config affects not just the loading times, but the overall game speed aswell. An upcoming rule that shall be applied is that runs without game audio will no longer be accepted, as we (moderators) cannot take the risk of approving cheated runs. Please note that all of the currently accepted runs without audio will remain verified as they are completely beatable.

For anyone that is currently speedrunning the game or might have the interest of doing it in the future, i suggest to keep an eye out on the game rules for the next few days and if you have any questions, please feel free to ask down below.

Cheers.

Sim eu fiz uma alteração ontem pois os tempos de loadings entre os runners possuem grande diferença e não seria justo, vou fazer um novo post explicando a situação detalhadamente..

At 01:23:47 he starts the infinite jump glitch, i mean, doing glitches in a glitchless category, doesn't really make sense.

Yo @BadNewsNate!

So, difficulty was never a driving factor to MKD's/MKA's Konquest, it's actually better to go for the easiest difficulty since we never had a consistent strat for Konquest fights, so difficulty not matter.

GL on future runs!

@UNICOY [quote=UNICOY]This is literally the last reply to this because I refuse to believe you are being serious. You are either trolling or I don't know.[/quote]

YOU my friend, must be the one trolling, you come here, from what i see, with zero interest on speedrunning the game and just start ranting about the rules and demanding changes, here some fresh news to you, no one called you here.

[quote=UNICOY]But just looking at your ego with that "Best brazilian speedrunner on Speedrun.com" and your way to reply and take opinions as insults is just pathetic[/quote]

And i am, i'm the best Brazilian speedrunner, not because of WRs, but i'm the hardest worker around, moderating leaderboards daily, speedrunning multiple games, teaching newcomers and always interacting with the community, until you find someone who pushes as hard as i do, i'll be on 1st place. You don't like egotistic people? I'll say to you that's nothing but confidence.

[quote=UNICOY]Also, amazing way to approach to someone being passive-agressive, as a MOD.[/quote]

I'm not a mod here, just a verifier, i don't make the changes here, but i'm definetely the one with the most reasonable solution, cause by looking at it, i'm pretty sure none of you two never seriously moderated a leaderboard before. Maybe was not an insult after all, but is definetely a bad attitude of you people for not getting what you want.

[quote=UNICOY]At least you now recognized that the traps affect the IGT and RTA differently.[/quote]

I ALWAYS KNEW THAT, are you blind to not see that i said this YEARS ago?

[quote=UNICOY]Avoiding the traps and stage fatalities are almost impossible.You either end up performing it on a bot by mistake, or you end up getting caught in one, even fatalities are sometimes triggered by mistake. Why would you ban something that's part of the game? Just use RTA, simple as that.[/quote]

By saying that just shows how you NEVER even tried to speedrun the game before.

[quote=UNICOY]do you think that's fair to the guys who already submitted their runs and used the traps and the fatalities? You are just going in circles.[/quote]

Simple, just add new rules stating: Runs prior (date) are excused from these rules and there you go, we will not even need to touch any of the currently verified runs.

[quote=UNICOY]Use RTA and do NOT count loading times so no one will be affected.[/quote]

MY GOD DUDE! IGT ALREADY DOES THAT! You don't like the fact that IGT is manipulable? LET'S NOT MANIPULATE IT THEN! What's so goddamn hard to understand?

[quote=UNICOY]Manipulating the IGT so you get less time than the real one is not part of finishing a game as fast as possible.[/quote]

I DON'T agree with manipulating IGT either!!

[quote=UNICOY]Well, keep working with the current IGT so you don't have to go through a lot of work[/quote]

The only difference of using IGT w/o manipulation and RTA w/o loads, is that by using RTA we would need to take out every single loading screen from every speedrun submission, if we use IGT then just calculate Blaze's fight as RTA and add to the IGT and that's it!

@Epica [quote=Epica]You don't want to understand what I'm saying, or you are just stupid[/quote]

Nah, your ideas are just stupid, they are complete nonsense to what a competitive timing method should look like.

I'm here again. Let me explain everything with details now, cus I see you are not able to understand.

@Epica and @UNICOY If you guys want RTA w/o loads, then just use IGT w/o making fatalities neither using Yellow Marks, the final time result will literally be the SAME thing.

@Epica IN-GAME TIME IS NOT THE PROBLEM, if he gets stopped by making Fatalities, DON'T DO A FATALITY THEN! The reason i'm saying "just keep Death Traps" it's because they save time no matter what, something that Fatalities and Yellow Marks only benefit for IGT, which i DON'T agree using.

[quote=Epica]What are Speedruns? Its like finish the game AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.[/quote]

Let me correct you here, it's completing an objective on a game as fast as possible, not necessarely finishing it. So thank you for the lesson, but i'm not a beginner on speedrunning, i know what i'm doing here.

[quote=Epica]You don't want to make w/o loads cus you are lazy? Why you moderating?[/quote]

We can debate how much you want, but calling insults like that will not get you anywhere here, in fact, people will be ignoring you overtime.

[quote=Epica]Why is this needed? To make this load more fair to everyone, simple as that.[/quote]

What part of "Using IGT, so regardless the version, console spec and Disc integrity you will always get the same time as everyone else, so it makes 100% fair and practical for everyone" you guys don't understand?

[quote=UNICOY]Performing an instant kill (stage fatality) stops the IGT, not the RTA. Of course that performing those save time in both ways, but only the IGT stops.[/quote]

Still, i don't see why not having death traps since it saves time on both sides.

[quote=UNICOY]And about the RTA, it's not inconsistent at all. As I said before, you should NOT consider loading times for the final time since the game it's hardware dependent when it comes to this matter. This means that ONLY the fights would count towards the real time.[/quote]

That's misleading, we gotta decide which is the best choice, is it IGT or RTA? Cause if we should not consider loading times that makes RTA useless, loading times ARE included in RTA. Also, you will notice loading differences depending on your hardware spec (ex: a PS2 JPN SCPH-90k is generally faster than a PS2 US SCPH-70k) which is also a thing if your Disc is scratched. My point is, if the game offers an accurate IGT and we can use it in a way to make everything fair and square for everyone, then why not using it as the main timing method? I vow to keep the the way it is, having IGT as the main competitive time and RTA as secondary.

[quote=UNICOY]On the other hand, if the different versions of the game differ from each other, then there should be different categories, one per version.[/quote]

I agree with that. To conclude, i think the only rule change we need is "Using Fatalities to manipulate IGT is prohibited".

I agree with some of that, saving IGT with fatalities is nonsense indeed, but Death Traps (Stage Fatalities) saves time on both IGT and RTA and for that i consider keeping Death Traps. I completely disagree with using RTA over IGT, RTA is the most inconsistent timing method on 3D MKs as it can vary depending on your hardware (ex: Xbox has a slower RTA than PS2) and also has massive difference between a real hardware and emulator, so using RTA as the main timing method (in this case) is beyond stupid.

Well, i mean, In-Game Time always have less time than RTA.

The manual timing is about Blaze's fight only, so the runner can do it and just add in to the IGT.

Hey @Epica.

So, let's break this down in a few topics:

1. It's not the RTA that define positions but the IGT, look up to the Arcade (PS2/Xbox) 1st and 2nd places, you will notice there.
2. About Blaze's fight, it's only added the round times, not the whole fight, which is in fact inaccurate and i don't have any problems with retiming all runs if needed.
3. For the IGT calculation may seem weird at first but is effective, one interesting thing about the IGT is the way we can manipulate it (using death traps and fatalities as you said) and i believe prohibiting this kind of thing (for this MK in specific) would not be a good thing, you see, speedruns of MK Armageddon are not that attractive and/or impressive to watch, so we have to show at least something different rather than just punch the floor with Goro for 8 minutes straight.

At last, i agree with a small change about Blaze's fight calculation, but i don't see any other change being required.

Edit: Although, it's up to the moderators to decide.

Hello, 2 months ago i was added here: https://www.speedrun.com/Mortal_Kombat_X as regular mod, the current super mod (Shade667) has been inactive for +3 months, many contact attempts we're made but no result and some people came to me asking if there was going to have any changes/new categories on the board. I don't see major changes as regular mod being an ethical attitude, so i'd like to be "promoted" to Super Mod role.

Thank You!

Sim há diferença notável, o problema de separar a leaderboard é que tornaria mais bagunçada do que ja é, por conta do layout da speedrun.com não possibilitar a flexibilidade necessária, por isso a referência de recordes mais precisa é aqui: http://re4central.com/leaderboard/

Infelizmente isso se tornou uma realidade para runners de HD Console, é de fato um sistema pay-to-win e isso não só no RE4, se quer os melhores loadings em console, é no Xbox One X.

Edit: A diferença no PS4 especificamente NÃO é um fator determinante, apenas se torna relevante caso o console possua um SSD instalado.

Edit 2 (lol): A moderação já trabalha na reformulação da board, para que cada console tenha suas categorias específicas e torne tudo 100% justo.

That's misleading, because the only character that actually has a speed strat is Kotal Kahn and by playing with him you can spot the difference between a speedrun and a casual gameplay, something that not occurs with other characters. I was thinking about adding " only 1 Round per fight" subcategory for both Story and Klassic Tower, so it makes everything twice as fast.

Edit: Nevermind, just made a few tests and it's not possible to play 1 round on both categories.

Hello eveyone,

Not many of you may have noticed, but the leaderboard got a few less records than before and the reason for that is now we will have monthly submissions verification, so those who do not have their video proof available anymore will get their runs rejected, that way we can keep the leaderboard 100% legitimate and avoid any kind of Todd Rogers situation. If you are one of the runners that got your run rejected, please don't hesitate to resubmit your record with propper video proof.

Thank You.

Despite not having any run with it, the In-Game Time is the main timing method right? cause i got back into the game, but my PS2 is having really bad loading screens so there is no way i can beat my RTA.

@Tyler_Ry74 Yes, i'm currently having some ideas such as adding "Test Your Luck" and also accepting any suggestions for more categories. However, no major change was done yet, as i'm not a Super Mod so i don't see myself having enough power to do so. Some attempts we're made to contact the current Super Mod Shade667 but i got no response, i'm waiting until he's +3 months inactive to request a legit mod promotion OR bring him here to discuss some leaderboard changes with the community, feel free to suggest any category you see interesting!

Good discovery!

In fact, any kind of oob should be useless in Geoforge, but if is somehow replicable in other levels, it could definetely provide minutes of timesave indeed.

Still on that? ok, it's the last time, after that i'll have to speedrun some games, so here we go:

"Saying that most of the runners left the community is a gross exaggeration"

I didn't said "most of the runners" in the overall term, i was referring to those upon the circumstances of the new ruleset that decided to leave because of it.

"the ones that left the community were little in number & comprised of mostly runners we had our eyes on for cheating."

But never proved they were in fact cheaters.

"However we saw more runners remain & adapt than we saw leave."

Really? because the entire series seems pretty dead to me.

"Before you ask. No I don't have to provide evidence of that."

Yeah, you don't have to, because after all you are the supreme moderator that everyone has to agree and believe on what you say.

"Provide proof to you of my run times? Well here's the thing Kromer. You're not a moderator of the game in question & i'll point out, not even a runner of it. Why i should have to provide some sort of evidence of my top times to you yourself to essentially put your mind at ease?"

You are not proving your legitimacy just to me, but to everyone in here and inside the MK community, also "i'm not a runner of it"? did you realised that most part of the people in this thread never ran a MK game and still want to share they thoughts and opinions? should they be silenced just because they are not part of the community? and as i stated, all of this is NOT just about classic MKs.

"They know that my runs are legitimate."

Yeah, they (mod team) know, everybody else here don't, if this is not a Todd Rogers syndrome then i don't know what it is.

"The records that remained on the leader boards were never in question. If that helps you understand why some remained."

They didn't met the new rules, like i said, the rules are the rules, deal with it, they don't met it, they should not be in there, period.

"Do you know how many runs were being submitted daily? Do you know how many runs we combed through? no you don't."

No and i don't need to, it doesn't matter if was only 1 submitted run or 1000 runs, applying new rules and then rejecting is a good thing, but the fact that you accused runners (and great players) of being cheaters with no real proof is the real question, which you didn't gave an answer.

"You're not here to complain, you can offer a plethora of suggestions?"

I was, in fact i don't even care anymore because all of this got too much heated and toxic at this point and i'm not the spoiled brat i used to be years ago to throw out insults and stuff, now i'm a good runner that also has to provide good moderation for multiple communities. I know this will not lead to a reasonable agreement, but just for the record, i'm sure that having you out of your role would be the best thing for everyone.

"No thanks Kromer you see we already sorted it out & got a solution."

If "solution" for you is the one that fits your personal agenda then i'm pretty sure you got one.

"I however adjust & evolve with the speed run board as it becomes both popular & more competitive"

No it didn't, it's not more competitive, the last run approved for classic MK was 1 month ago, and i don't need to be a "MODERATOR" to see that.

"Now i ask that it ends here & you concentrate on the games that you actually run"

What? more MK games than you did? you are clearly calling me a "non community member" at this point and excluding me just because i don't agree with you.

And you can call all of this "hate campaign" or "personal attacks", i call it reality checks, and still you didn't managed to answer any of those 6 evidences i've numbered, bravo! Even though i don't agree that much with your decisions, i still respect you as a person and i think we should stop here, this is not leading to any constructive debate, but just a childish fight, so just leave everything the way it is, case solved, i hope you stay good and provide the best for this community, i'm not answering anymore.

Peace! :D