The problem with a shorter category is that the beginning has the majority of the cutscenes (the 10 minute intro, the killing of the deer, the cutscene's before Baldur, meeting Brok etc). Meaning a shorter category would have a pretty bad cutscene to gameplay ratio (people already say this run is a cs simulator). I think maybe a run from Alfheim to the 2nd encounter with Baldur would make for the most interesting "misc" category but obviously that has problems since something like that would be more of a NG+ category.

Was wondering if there is a GOW 2018 or just general GOW discord? Been having fun routing this game and was wondering if there was a place to share ideas with other runners.

I'm still a little confused on the rules but I'm assuming something like this would be allowed right?

Also would this be allowed in glitchless since all your really doing is restarting checkpoint

So just a couple questions. Are you allowed to play on any patch of the game? Also why exactly is "Skip Cutscenes with Checkpoint" not allowed?

So Im sure this has been asked a lot already but what are the differences between ps4 and ps2? Are they the same as ps3 to ps2?

ah thank you just wanted to clarify what the problem was

So I think I might be missing something. But people keep bringing up ps4 streaming and why thats a reason for allowing runs without timers, but the ps4 streaming has a built in timer with the elapsed timer that you can have displayed in the top right of the screen when streaming through ps4, so I don't see the issue there. The timer doesn't have to start from zero since its just a point of comparison right?

Succinct the idea that other leaderboards do it one way so all leaderboards should do it this way is an incredibly flawed mind set, especially towards the KH leaderboards. Because while yes the Mario and Zelda and many more games do have bigger communities, very few of those larger communities consist of games that on average take 3+ hours for just a basic any% run like many of the KH games do.

As for the actual topic, If a runner cares so little about their own run that they can't even be bothered to put even a basic timer on their run, then I don't see why a mod should have dedicate their own time towards verifying the run.

Even if you want to make the argument that "it's their job and they should just do it anyway" a good employee doesn't waste their time dealing with tedious busy work, when they could be dedicating that same time towards dealing with more important things.

I don't read a lot of the discord messages so sorry if this has already been discussed but are all forms of dlc banned in runs or just paid dlc and stuff that comes with the season pass? The game is already ran on the latest version so I don't really see a problem with also allowing the latest downloadable items like the regular holiday pass. I understand not allowing paid dlc since it kinda makes the game seem more like pay to win. But I don't really see a reason not to allow free additional content.

I think its fine to keep the records if no one else on that specific leaderboard has a problem with it. If someone on the leaderboard does have a problem with the WR time and the WR holder can not provide some sort of decent video proof or at least have a mod defend the WR because they saw the run when it was live streamed, then yes I do think its acceptable to take WR runs down. Also I like Timmi's idea of adding a note to legacy WR's to help clarify to anyone that might be confused. I do think however that any new WR from now on, must have video proof of some kind rather then just have a mod saying they saw the run.

In regard to the whole shitty internet argument. I live in Australia which I would say probably has one of the worst average internet speeds in a first world country. I've since got actual decent internet but I use to have a 0.3 mega bit upload speed. Even with that garbage internet I still uploaded videos to YouTube. Some of these videos were even above an hour long but even so I did it and didn't really complain other then the occasional fist wag at what ever divine being happened to be watching me. Because here's the thing after living my entire life with shitty internet when someone told me I couldn't do this or that because of it I understood. Life's tough and unless these new runners have also just so happened to move into a house with massively worst internet compared to their old one they too are also use to shitty internet and what it means for them.

@iiSalad I see your point about the leaderboards being motivating. But wouldn't it have been just as motivating to see how you compared regardless of whether or not you name was actually on the leaderboard? I mean you can still take your time and see where it slots in compared to others right? You were basically doing that anyway when you were taking 11 minutes off your time because of PAL.

Honestly I'm usually not the person who cares if other people think my run is bad or good as long as I think its good. But reading through the posts I've seen a few people talk kind of nonchalantly about what the cut off time would be and funnily enough all were faster then my time and the fact that it was done so nonchalantly is what makes it hurt. I think having a cut off time that hasn't had a whole lot of thought put into could be discouraging especially if people are struggling to make that time. Also with strats and runners constantly improving I think the cut off time will need to be changed more then people seem to think and thus the voters on the matter will start to put less thought into what the cut off time should be.

Also as for getting rid of older runs with no videos. I have a few reasons for both sides but basically I would say no for now at least. The main thing about getting new runners to submit times is that eventually, even if its over several years, there will be more runs that have videos of their PBS then runs without and I think that's important. Its especially important for new runners to learn what other people of their skill level are doing to say, beat a boss that has a particularly hard strat that they can't seem to pull of and thus are being discouraged from doing runs because all they have to learn from are the really good runners who do the hard starts.

Also I think its already been said that if people have a KH leaderboards Mod in their chat who watched the whole run then its fine if the recording fails or if you can't submit for whatever reason.

I believe its important for times on the leader board to require video proof. One of the big reasons why is for the sake of legitimacy. Now I've only done one RTA run. A run I was really happy with but even several weeks since doing the run I am yet to submit. Now I streamed and recorded the run so submitting would be very easy for me. But the reason I haven't bothered is because comparing that time to other people near me on the leader board basically means nothing, at least to me personally. Since I don't really know any of the lower timed streamers or have any idea how much effort went into their run or even if its a legitimate time, I don't feel the need to compare it and thats not what a leader board should be like. A reason why a lot of people are against full video proof for lower times is the fact that some people just want a time on the leader board because it makes them feel good. But at that level the leader board is basically a joke and means nothing.

People are also raising the question. "well what if people feel discouraged by the fact that they didn't get their times on a leader board because they didn't have video proof?" Well for one I am yet to actually hear the opinion of this apparent Phantom runner that's been so discouraged they now plan to never even look at the game again. So until we get someone actively raising their hand and saying "hey I don't like the fact that my time wasn't accepted because I couldn't provide full proof." Then this whole thing is kind of a none issue and most of the peoples arguments against full video proof kind of go out the window. Besides most people already think you need to stream before you can even speedrun to begin with so I doubt many people would argue over this point to begin with.

Not to mention you don't need to be able to put your times on the leader board in order to test if they want to speedrun the game. If someone tries out a game and doesn't like it I doubt they would put in the time to submit a time they aren't happy with in a game they don't feel they are going to run. But if the person is so petty that all they want is their name on some arbitrary list then leave without actually adding anything to the community then they don't really deserve to be on the leader board. Like I said before if the leader board is just full of times from people who just did a single run, didn't care about the community and then just takes off then that takes away from he legitimacy and whole point of a leader board.