Ah, I see. That pretty much kills all motivation I had for doing a Legend% run then. The whole reason I sought out new Glitches was to try anything to make it a little easier. An unglitched Legend% is basically lots of resetting to Hound fights in Zone 5 and praying you get a Darkstaff drop off Clemons. Until I can find a way to make it a little less tedious, I don't really think I'll run it.

Edit: Just looked something up. Apparently performing the glitch doesn't even give you the Legend achievement at the end of the game, so it wouldn't have worked for my purposes anyways. I'm so sad.

Good call, I'd agree with that. Also thanks for pointing out the Hydra thing, I actually forgot that it's not the last fight lol. That's really good since Hydra's Potent Toxin is the biggest pain in the ass for the 20-turn-invulnerable-no-allies run. I also didn't realize that respeccing always gave you the free skill points, guess since I always did the level 1 respec I never actually tried it, so it'd 100% not be a glitch then.

So uh... there's a problem here. I just did some testing tonight and I found a serious issue that could effect any runs of the game that allow glitches. It takes a bit to explain so I thought I'd make a video and just show you:

As for glitches, that's a tough one. Technically level 1 respec is a glitch, so that wouldn't be allowed really. Also AI glitching, especially in the Baron fight, can occur completely accidentally during runs if Roald and Vera end up dead, so I don't think you can count that as a glitch unless you want people to reset if it ever accidentally happens.

IMO 100% should be an all achievements run while also fully completing the game, as that's what a 100% run in other games traditionally is.

My current setup for Legend% involved a glitch I found on some of the old flash forums that allows you to glitch saves and use skills from multiple classes. I start off as a Hydraulic, rolling through the first area with Hot skills until I get to level 8. I then respec, put a single point into Cold Neurology, then glitch the save to become a Psychological. I get to level 10 and unlock Ultimatum. Ultimatum + Cold Neurology gives you 100% damage reduction for 20 turns. The only risks are dispelling from the few enemies in Zone 3-4 who can electro bolt or shock therapy, and the Android Guard's Analyze ability which still causes enemies to do 120 damage to you. I tried routing an Any% run using this strat as you can literally remove Roald and Vera from your party for most of the game and save time by not having their turns, but the rough estimate time I got wasn't much better than your Any% run so I didn't bother.

The main reason I really wanted the category is because I have no interest in Zone 6 and 7 honestly. Sekiro's currently taking up all of my time but once I'm finished with it I'll try to get a run out.

Hello, I was wondering if the mods here would be able to add a new category: Legend%. The criteria being that the Legend achievement (or simply meeting the criteria to get it) must be achieved upon defeating the Mayor. I know that this might not be too different from Heroic any%, but I think not being able to grind specific boss weapons without disabling autosave (and thus denying Level 23 from ever being achieved which lets you use a bunch of powerful shit in Zone 5), is more then enough to justify the new category.

Besides, Legend runs are a staple of Sonny 2 and I think it'd be a good idea to include a speedrun category for them. I've just finished routing a run (and boy was it a pain), and plan on recording one soon.

Cheers lads.