Hi! Didn't know this board existed, but here we are. There's a clear difference between cutscene % and not, so inevitably, a split will need to be made, unless all current runners intend to overwrite their old runs with non-cutscene runs. As far as when to start the timer...not sure what's best. I suppose starting the timer upon start is more precise, though my runs have been upon character control (including an upcoming submission). Like I didn't bother fast skipping the first ninja FMV drop in some runs, since it wasn't going to cost me. We'll see what the others say.

I'm speaking concerning a subject that is well-known. Some examples:

https://www.speedrun.com/The_Site/thread/qhxp0 https://www.speedrun.com/overcooked_2/thread/5ilnx/1#wgmrt https://www.speedrun.com/speedrunning/thread/btg9z https://www.speedrun.com/the_site/thread/50x2z/1#td96n https://www.speedrun.com/the_site/thread/l0wte/1#f1jxf https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/355sy8/people_that_have_their_run_verified_on/

I'm sure there are far more discussions about the topic, but I'll leave you to use your preferred browser to find them.

If evidence is considered valuable, one might begin to consider adding basic filters, the kind found on virtually any site, including this one. Options are usually beneficial, not detrimental; but maybe you’re right, and the numbers are simply posted, take it or leave it. I do wonder if the more popular games are modded loosely too, but likely not.

Shiken,

You spent much of your post agreeing that there needs to be a solution, since eliminating old records might not suit everyone. The latter part of your post seems to suggest that it would be a complex solution, though someone earlier said the framework is already there. I imagine one could check a box labeled "Legacy" in order to move a run to another tab, but I am no mod here. Additionally, this would be upon request, not a constant task/chore. You said you'd prefer to have runs without evidence hidden by default, but how is that different from my suggestion?

Where exactly would they go if not a Legacy tab? If you mean they could be hidden or unhidden by checking a box, hey, that works for me. I'm all for supporting another solution to this problem, since it shouldn't exist. I'm getting the feeling, however, that there is little to no standardization across the site. I assume that has something to do with most mods (all?) being volunteers; thus, the situation is somewhat chaotic. I suppose it's not wise to complain about volunteered time, but if possible, it'd be nice to see this problem resolved.

Thanks for your response.

SurvivalMichi, good! I was hoping it would be a rather simple solution to implement, but since I have no experience with the platform, I wasn't certain.

I’m not pushing for records without proof. I’m saying those literally exist now, and something must be done. It seems as if you agree with that, but if people aren’t going to straight up erase old records, this legacy tab is a clear solution to the problem. If they want to erase records lacking evidence, that’s their right, no doubt, but until that policy exists, it’s difficult for me to simply settle for nothing being done, notably in the case of world records.

Komrade, « no vid, no did » is certainly one perspective, but that policy is not currently in place. I imagine that is due to disagreement between multiple parties, which is why I offered a compromise. I don’t think a stalemate is ideal, as something should be done to avoid long term problems.

MrMonsh,

Right, that's why I added "or otherwise reasonable," because I'd heard it could sometimes be due to emulators cutting way, way down on load times. Some might call that score "less valid," whereas others might consider it differently-obtained. I use emulators myself, so I'm not taking a shot at anyone. :)

Edit: I'd also like to point out that I've heard some emulation is slower than playing on real hardware! Xbox emulation, for example, is not in great shape.

Hi, I'm new to the site, so forgive me if I'm posting something redundant or in the wrong section.

I think we should be willing to add a "Legacy" tab upon request to any game with "legacy" runs.

Why? Well, I've noticed people arguing about speedruns without evidence. Should they be allowed? Should they not?

Why not both?

If people see that the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place spot lacks evidence, they can submit a request to move said runs to a Legacy tab for the game. That way, those run times are still available for people to view, but the default tab will not include videoless runs.

Right now, I'm sure people are aware of the issue, but trust me when I say it's going to get worse. I'm also new to Twitch, but I've noticed something about it - it removes streams over time. So if the top 3 spots are now using Twitch as evidence, at some point in the near future, there will be no proof that a] the world record holder truly achieved the time b] the world record holder ever even played the game.

At the moment, of course, we can see the videos, but we're asking a lot of people in the future to simply believe in the old times and the old ways. :) Of course, if the world record holder comes back with evidence, they can move their scores to the default tab, if they prefer. Some might not feel strongly about it either way.

Anyway, to make a long story longer, let's solve this problem in a way that works for everyone, and in a way that doesn't tax the system too much, meaning a] this is upon request, not something mods need to scour scores for constantly b] if desired, it can affect only the top 3 spots, meaning mods won't need to clean up 100 spots for Ninja Gaiden or something.

Obviously if this is left to one mod, we could run into the situation of them not wanting to move their own WR to legacy, but I feel this solution is as good as humanly possible and can be adjusted as necessary.

Keep in mind we already have tabs for some games for "emulator" scores, as they may be considered less valid or otherwise reasonable to separate for certain games. So this "legacy" tab is no more work than we're already doing, and it solves a developing problem.

Please let me know what you think, as many of you are veterans of this site, unlike me.

Thanks!

Arcotoko