Hi All, It seems for me that there is a collectable (Specifically photo slide #11) behind a door that is locked until new game plus. Is this the case for anyone else? If it is, completing Act 5 a second time would be necessary and timing can end at the same door as any%.

I've done a couple "dummy" runs and every time that door is locked on the first run through, however everywhere I look on guides and such they don't mention it being new game plus like the mysterious objects. I'm hoping I'm not the only one experiencing this.

The way I cue myself for it is a mixture of both the audio and where I think I'm placed. As soon as the audio has that sharp rise, I start to turn and walk forward just a bit so I'm just on the red glow on the floor. (You can see an almost clear line where the glow stops here in my run - )

I then just constantly hold right/back and move away. Works most of the time for me, but I'm not sure if it's an actual set-up or not.

It’s the price you would have to pay for self portrait. There isn’t any other way around it besides deleting the entire save. It’s not a huge pain - it’s only minor. The Xbox version I would assume can be played without a profile which would prevent this from happening. This may be a full way around it.

Here is the video explaining the wall of drawings:

I do agree banning phone skip is the way to go at this stage (Until it can be proven otherwise). As for the wall of collectables, I will try and upload a small video showing it and explaining what I mean, as it’s not a huge amount of effort.

I don’t think this game needs different ending categories, as this community is so small, but the collectables wall show be a good way of validating any run with a different ending.

Sorry for my absence, and no reply, but I have played around offline and had a look at things, and have come to the conclusion my run is not valid (So I have deleted it and resubmitted a new one). The reason for this is pretty simple - It seems I had 2 unfair advantages - one being phone skip was "set-up" on my profile and the other was my self portrait ending.

I came to the conclusion that the reason only I was able to get the self portrait ending with the steps I was taking was because I had completed the game with all the collectables - meaning I had all rat drawings. From what I can see online, collecting these has a helping hand in getting that ending -- along with the few extra steps I take in my those runs.

To put it into perspective, if I was to make a scale which determines which ending is chosen where your actions in game equate to either 1 point for 'family' or -1 points for 'selfish', and say 0 to 5 is the self portrait ending, 6 to 14 is the wife ending and 15 to 20 is the wife & child ending, a fresh file would start at 10. Having the rat drawings collected already as I start the run, my play through would start at like 6 or 7, making me have to do far less steps to push that limit to the self portrait ending.

With this discovery (prompted by me not being able to get self portrait ending after being able to completely start on a fresh untouched profile), it became clear I had an unfair advantage over everyone else, and despite the lack of activity in this game, my previous runs are pretty much illegal -- I'm not comfortable having what is essentially a new game+ run at the top of the leader boards.

I know this game has some weird things happen with how it manages its save files, and it makes runs hard to moderate, but the more I run the more of an understanding I get on how these hidden mechanics work.

For phone skip - unless someone can show me them completing chapter 5 without it and then immediately play it again getting the skip (and of course without falling the first time) - I will always believe it was 'set-up' beforehand.

Same goes with self portrait ending - if it is obtained, I would like to see the wall the collectables get put on in the easel room after the completion of the run. This will show if any drawings were obtained prior to the run being started.

I may have rambled on a bit, but a fair bit of this I have been looking at over the last month or so, trying to get my head around it all. Hopefully my scale analogy is easy to understand, its the best way I could word it. In the end, you guys as mods have the final say, but I thought I would share what i have learned with it all so far.

Firstly, for anyone who is unaware, Phone skip is a skip in chapter 5 that allows you to skip entering 2 of the 3 phone numbers in the study room where you are ascending the sides before falling down.

It seems that there is an error in the game that if you fail this section and fall while playing casually (or in a run), your game will "remember" this, and on any subsequent travels through this section, regardless of if "New Game" is selected or not, the game still thinks you have failed the section and "Skips" you to the end of it, effectively savings 50-60 seconds.

Until recently I was "stuck" with this, and starting from a new game, ran with this issue happening. However, I have been shown that it is relatively easy to delete the console cloud save game, and reset it to an unused state, which in turn fixes this glitch.

After talking to lanzaa he has let my run stand, but I feel it isn't a true new game speedrun, as it has (albeit involuntary) setups created beforehand. It is sort of a New Game+ run in a way.

I started this thread to get a small discussion to have some clarification, I'm interested to hear what others have to say.

Yeah the other endings are similar to how Inheritance ends. The final input is on the canvas and it plays a cutscene that is about 2 minutes long before fading to the credits.

I was wondering about the rule for when timing stops. In the rules it says when screen fades to black before credits. Does this include the wife/child and self portrait endings?

The reason I ask is because movement stops and a small cutscene is played before credits for these endings. The main ending (Loop) has a cutscene and the small epilogue section before timing does actually stop on last input which leads to credits (Pulling the sheet down).

I have been trying to route something with the different endings and this will have an impact on them.

Awesome, Thanks! I was hoping for this to be put up!