Going for sub-31 in 0.9.3 any%
5 years ago
France

I expected Fouks to post an any% run this month, but there is no sign of it happening.

Rather than waiting a few months and having to relearn 0.9.3 tricks, I prefer trying to get "definitive" records while my technique is here.

So far, I did two promising runs which managed to get past the main obstacle in the run, the triple-skip in Hacienda (I decided the skip in Northern Resort to be way too unreliable). In both, I was more than 20s ahead of the current WR after Candela City.

Both ended in a tragic fail, the first killed by the FTL.

The second was killed by a mix of errors and by the game trolling me and throwing me off-balance.

Using my old graph comparing WRs, here is how the new runs (purple and light blue) went :

https://i.imgur.com/mSVe5UW.png

In that second run :

  • I somehow failed the last skip in black hill mansion despite my cautiousness.
  • The game decided that I want to play in intermediate difficulty in the gran paradiso challenge. As, usually, you select as fast as possible, I couldn't change it before being in the challenge. So I exited, went back, selected too fast once again, exited, and finally started the challenge in expert
  • Because the Old Mine challenge has only 3 AI opponents even in expert, I mistakenly thought I was again in intermediate (thanks to that Gran Paradiso issue...), and lost a few seconds exiting and going back in.
  • I somehow missed the gate skip TWICE, each time flying over the wall.
  • I lost 3-4 seconds with an accident going towards the final challenge, after the gate skip

Considering everything that went wrong, it's a small miracle that it was still a sub-32 time.

At the same time, I'm certain that with some more tries going at sub 9m50s after Hacienda, one of them will be free of most of these errors... Making sub-31 very possible.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
France

Another run which has come close, even closer, to beating my current WR. 31m51s670 ; doing the last challenge as intermediate because the game thought it was what I want (I suspect it's a mouse position issue) and relaunching the challenge wouldn't have been worth it.

Once again, the FTL was awful (it was down to pure luck, though I won it), but it's black hill mansion (I was hit by a kart in the 2nd lap, mismanaged and failed the skip, then didn't get back properly on the road at the end of the 2nd lap, so the 3rd lap skip didn't work either) and the failed gate skips (I've switched to a new method, which is faster when done properly (or at equal number of fails), but I lack some reliability yet) which killed the run.

I'm cautiously optimistic that with a few more tries, I'll finally get it to work, especially with some training in the two obvious problematic parts which kill the runs making it past hacienda : blackhill mansion and the gate skip (I had much better reliability when doing my sub-32 attempts, ironically).

I have also beaten my fastest time after Cocoa Temple and Shifting Sands.

Once again, I won't upload the full video because doing so would take 4 hours, but I'll add that new failed run to my previous graph :

https://i.imgur.com/FjLhW4d.png

Edited by the author 5 years ago
France

New WR !

31m20s553 :)

I'll upload the video tomorrow, but in short I got a similar time to my last failed run after lighthouse, and got first try gateskip and a decent Fort Magma !

EDIT : video uploaded

The start is much stronger than the previous WR, and the overall performance is very solid, with the only serious mistakes in Snow Peak and Minigolf. They are what separates this new WR from a sub-31 run.

https://i.imgur.com/9I4j2e8.png

And for comparison's sake :

https://i.imgur.com/uien4uO.png

Edited by the author 5 years ago
France

Not doing a new topic just to post this pic, even if it's about the all challenges instead of the Any% ;

https://i.imgur.com/5Akt54f.png

France

New Any% world record.

Around 0,3s faster than the sum of best segments of the 5 previous WR, all thanks to the new skips.

30m29s555. Outside of Northern resort and Gran Paradisio, this new time is only 2s faster than the previous one - and I won a few seconds on Shifting Sands, too. However, as the previous record was of high quality with few fails, the same mostly remains true for the new one,

https://i.imgur.com/CGJn6Tv.png

Sub-30 minutes is definitely possible with dedication and luck.

Switzerland

Sorry, was way too busy last month. But now, you can check my new WR and compare to improve yours even more. I will try Sub 30 the following few weeks.

Alayan likes this
France

There is no big novelty. You do some things differently (abysses instead of cornfield crossing, light kart on lighthouse/minigolf/zen garden, some track order shuffling), but nothing which fundamentally changes the time on a given track.

But your latest time uses the new tricks and is overall more consistent that my 30m29s. That's what it will take for a sub-30 : consistency, avoiding any major error.

Here is your time added to my graphs :

https://i.imgur.com/2ecZxTT.png

The sum of best segments don't change much at this point. I've not updated the previous WRs to have the time at entering overworld, but I figured out it would be better to check the time there so that the section time's is not influenced bat what track you do first.

Fouks likes this
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I just did a 30m53s with : -10+ seconds lost in Hacienda (a kart got a zipper and blocked my way to do the skip on the 1st lap) -10 seconds lost by failing the skip once in Black Hill Mansion -10 seconds lost in XR591 by failing the wall skip (dont ask me HOW I missed it in the run while when doing the track casually, I do it reliably)

  • 25 seconds lost in the Old Mine. I made a small mistake at the beginning. I tried to throw something behind, missed my turn, and collided with an obstacle. And then, I was constantly trolled. Cake, bowling ball, moving mine kart, bowling ball, parachute... It was awful
  • Missed 1st try gate skip -Several seconds of stupid time loss in many tracks, with basket balls, parachutes, and small fails of my own (like falling down in green valley and being rescued - 3-4s lost)

It was at ~16m20s after Northern Resort, 10s ahead of the current record.

Now, there will always be random bad events in a run.

But there was really a lot which went wrong, many avoidable with greater caution, and the time still isn't that bad, because there is still a margin to improve on other tracks compared to the current records. At some point, the stars will align.

France

30m26s...

Adding it to my graph, the best segments are improved by 9s.

https://i.imgur.com/Wov9UXK.png

Also, I got an interesting metric about "how good a run would have been without that failed segment". Comparing across the runs, the question is "taking a random segment, what is the likelihood of this run's time to beat the time of another run taken at random ?". A run which is worse in all segments across the compared runs would get 0%, one which is best across all segments would get 100%.

The results mostly match the times, but there are some odd one :

  • 32m24s : 25,56%
  • 32m11s : 38,35%
  • 32m08s : 39,1%
  • 31m47s : 51,88%
  • 31m20s : 58,65%
  • 30m29s : 56,39%
  • 30m26s : 68,42%
  • 30m23s : 61,65%

My 31m20s gets hit each time a new run is added, as it doesn't have the new skips, but it's still ahead of my 30m29s time on that metric. The fact is that, outside the new skips, it was of better quality.

The other weird outlier is my 30m26s, which is way ahead on that metric. That's because most of the time loss in that run is restricted to 2 segments, and one of these has a new skip so the big failure ends up as better than several non-skip times. Otherwise, as shows the graph, it was very consistent.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Fouks likes this
France

New world record ! I've taken some good seconds of my previous time, even if there are some frustrating bits.

YouTube is giving me a "first diffusion" option, which allows to set a moment at which the video will be diffused for the first time, with an available chat. That sounds fun to discuss live how it went rather than just looking at the final time and my graph data and have all the emotion killed before watching the run.

Let me know if you think it's an interesting idea and which time would be suitable for this.

In the meantime, I've done the FTL fail compilation, and I'm going to publish it soon.

Switzerland

Bravo ! But personally, I am not here for spectating. At least, was it Sub 30 or not? Btw, I just did 30:18.366, but I am not submitting anything until Sub 30. Good run with as usual huge mistakes/unluck.

Edit: now 30:11.352, damned Minigolf with that ball! I got hit 3 times in a row by this shit! Please remove that track in 0.10.0! When I will get something satisfying, I will do a Fail Compilation!

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Alayan likes this
France

Upload your 30m11s352 time, even if you want to do another one. It will be nice for my stats tracking.

My run managed to do better than your new improvements.

The video link :

I've set the diffusion to sunday afternoon.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Switzerland

I did an awesome and really lucky start. Never had such good time for the 4th challenge.

Segmentation fault

-__________________-

Man I need to break something... Even if it was around the beginning, losing a possible awesome run this way is... You know Honestly, I think that Stk Enterprise is not where I lose the most often.

Can mashing buttons too fast after the end of a race do a Segmentation fault?! Or, I was removing a dynamite with the Mosquito Swatter at the same time, could this event have glitched something? I think that I found 64 ways to fail for my Fail Compilation...

Alternatively to uploading, I can provide you the raw times. What times do you use to do your analysis?

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Alayan likes this
France

I feel for you, this can be really frustrating. I can't tell you why it segfaulted without a backtrace, however.

As for STK Enterprise, it's not where my run end in the majority of cases (I reset if I don't get a good overall time at various points ; so I reset more often at the beginning when a basket ball hit me in scotland/OMC or if I don't get a good shifting sands ; then the next big reset point is Hacienda).

Having a record time after 3/4/5 races crushed by some mistakes or bad luck is sadly pretty common.

The times I use for my analysis are those displayed on the loading screens.

For the "enter overworld" data point, it's the loading screen just before, well, you enter the overworld. For the times after a challenge (except for the final run time at fort magma), it's the last loading screen before reentering the overworld. If the chest unlock cutscene is displayed, it's the time on the loading screen after the cutscene. If there is no chest cutscene (can happen sometimes when you skip really fast), it's the one after the end race screen.

For example, in my 30m26s run whose video I posted earlier in this thread, the enter overworld time is 1s213 ; the time after Nessie's Pond is 47s503.

It doesn't matter the order you did the segment in, I'll sort it out, I just need to know the total time after each segment with the segment's name.

(Give me also the 30m18s times, then ?)

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Fouks likes this
Switzerland

F"@#%&/g leader caked me while I had 17:28 at Stk Entreprise! Leader should not have items -_-, or maybe only Zippers...

I will do more tries and after them I will give you times, though I might have deleted some old runs to free space.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Alayan likes this
Switzerland

NoooOOOoooOOOooo!!! 30:00:064... Still containing stupid errors as well. Also Pwned by the Old Mine Wagon once. Was in all cases improvable as the time at Stk Enterprise was not that great (17:43 while I know that I could already do 15 s better here, like in my previous post).

What will I do?... What I wanted to do is to make a great time and Premier it too just after yours (or even the same time, to have suspens: who has the record?) :p. So I am not sure if I will continue to run tomorrow or if I will take a break this week.

Times for Any% 30:00.064 I do not think that the times for the other runs are really interesting,

00:01.225 - Choose Kiki/Enter OverWorld 00:40.379 - Oliver's Math Class 01:31.750 - Nessie's Pond 03:28.091 - Shifting Sands

  • 03:29.834 Change from Kiki to Tux 05:49.990 - Antediluvian Abysses 07:54.713 - Cocoa Temple 09:41:401 - Hacienda 11:31.690 - Snow Peak 13:24.413 - Candela City
  • 13:25.666 Change from Tux to Kiki 15:03.025 - Northern Resort 16:16.457 - Zen Garden 17:39.292 - Green Valley 19:01.593 - Stk Enterprise 20:47.836 - Grand Paradision Island 21:28.913 - Blackhill Mansion 22:56.693 - Around the Lighthouse 24:32.110 - Minigolf
  • 24:33.773 Change from Kiki to Tux 26:01.154 - Xr591 28:12.632 - Old Mine 30:00.064 - Fort Magma

Happy Analysis!

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Alayan likes this
France

The idea of premiering somewhat at the same time is actually a great idea. You still have one day to come up with a better run (my new run is still better at sub-30, but I think it was obvious). But if you do, don't tell me the exact time, it will be more interesting.

Thank you for the 30m run time split (you've got to upload this one ! I need to see the cruelty of the final time), but I'd still like the times for the previous runs to get a more complete picture. Plus, it's not very fun to have many runs by me and only two by you. I'd probably take out some obsoleted runs if the new runs overtake the segment PBs which they still own.

You forgot your Zen Garden time in your list (after Northern Resort, I guess)

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Fouks likes this
Switzerland

Ok, I am motivated to make a solid secret time for tomorrow, I hope that I will manage it until then! Else, it will be for later! In this latter case, I will instead make the Fail Compilation :D ! Oops, sorry, just edited to add Zen Garden. I will add times for the 2 others runs later if you really want them. I think that I will not upload the 30:00.064, but include the end in my Fail Compilation.

Alayan likes this
France

I really want them. But try to do a nice secret time first, of course.

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